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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 10th September 2003

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    European Standing Committee A,-Miss Anne Begg reported from European Standing Committee A the following Resolution:

    That the Committee takes note of European Union Document No. 8566/03, Commission Communication on enhancing maritime transport security and draft Regulation on enhancing ship and port facility security; and supports the Government's continuing commitment to working with the European Union to that end.

    Report, together with Resolution, to lie upon the Table.

2    Licensing and Registration of Gangmasters,-Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to register and license gangmasters in the agricultural and food processing industries: And that Mr Mark Simmonds, Mr John Hayes, Mr Peter Luff, Mr Henry Bellingham, Mr Mark Prisk, Mr John Baron, Mr Mark Hoban, Mr Mark Field, Mr George Osborne, Mr Peter Duncan and Mr Hugo Swire do prepare and bring it in.

3    Licensing and Registration of Gangmasters Bill,-Mr Mark Simmonds accordingly presented a Bill to register and license gangmasters in the agricultural and food processing industries: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 21st November and to be printed [Bill 156].

4    Opposition Day [16th allotted day],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the leader of the second largest opposition party in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.

    Fairness and Security in Old Age,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House believes that this Government has failed to deliver fairness and security for older people; is concerned that home care services for older people have been cut back and that the Government has presided over the collapse of the care home sector through botched regulations and underfunding; condemns the Government for putting in place rules that allowed thousands of elderly people to be forced to give up their life savings and homes to fund their continuing healthcare; believes that the Government has failed to tackle the pensions crisis both for current and future pensioners, putting in place a complex system of means-tests that fails to get help to the poorest pensioners, whilst heaping extra costs on pensioners by relying on the unfair Conservative council tax to fund local services; is concerned that many pensioners will suffer as a result of the closure of local post offices, a problem made worse by the Government's plans to scrap the pension book and introduce direct payment; and calls on the Government to stabilise the care home and home care sectors, offer security and real choice to older people, simplify the pension system, boost the basic state pension and abolish the council tax and replace it with a tax related to ability to pay-(Mr Paul Burstow);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'welcomes that from 2004-05 Government will be spending 9.2 billion extra per year in real terms on pensioners compared with the 1997 system; notes this is 5.7 billion more than if the basic state pension had been linked to earnings; recognises that the poorest third of pensioners will be 1,600 a year better off in real terms compared with the 1997 system; applauds Government action for older people on health and social care, fuel poverty, transport and lifelong learning; approves of action to stabilise the care home sector by increasing resources available to councils to increase care home fees where required; supports the Government's commitment to increase resources available for social services by on average six per cent. a year in real terms over the next three years, the expansion of intensive home care support, and the largest ever sustained increase in funding for the NHS; welcomes the real terms increase of 25 per cent. in grant to local authorities since 1997, and the review of the balance of funding between central and local government; further welcomes the successful introduction of universal banking services, giving Post Office access through a number of current accounts, basic bank accounts and the Post Office card account; congratulates Government on its intention to bring in Pension Credit from October; notes eligible households stand to gain on average 400 a year; and applauds the actions of the Government which result in over 1 million people being ready to receive Pension Credit who will gain more money than they had before', instead thereof.-(Malcolm Wicks.)

    And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Richard Younger-Ross, Mr Alan Reid: 58.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Margaret Moran: 315.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Margaret Moran: 307.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Alan Reid, Richard Younger-Ross: 182.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House welcomes that from 2004-05 Government will be spending 9.2 billion extra per year in real terms on pensioners compared with the 1997 system; notes this is 5.7 billion more than if the basic state pension had been linked to earnings; recognises that the poorest third of pensioners will be 1,600 a year better off in real terms compared with the 1997 system; applauds Government action for older people on health and social care, fuel poverty, transport and lifelong learning; approves of action to stabilise the care home sector by increasing resources available to councils to increase care home fees where required; supports the Government's commitment to increase resources available for social services by on average six per cent. a year in real terms over the next three years, the expansion of intensive home care support, and the largest ever sustained increase in funding for the NHS; welcomes the real terms increase of 25 per cent. in grant to local authorities since 1997, and the review of the balance of funding between central and local government; further welcomes the successful introduction of universal banking services, giving Post Office access through a number of current accounts, basic bank accounts and the Post Office card account; congratulates Government on its intention to bring in Pension Credit from October; notes eligible households stand to gain on average 400 a year; and applauds the actions of the Government which result in over 1 million people being ready to receive Pension Credit who will gain more money than they had before.

    Role of the United Nations in Iraq,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House welcomes the publication of the recent draft resolution of the United Nations Security Council on Iraq; calls upon Her Majesty's Government to honour the Prime Minister's commitment to give the United Nations a vital role in the political and economic reconstruction of Iraq through a new Security Council Resolution which would expedite the restoration of sovereignty and democratic control to the Iraqi people, place the process of political transition under the auspices of the United Nations, transfer the whole responsibility for the economic reconstruction and rebuilding of Iraq to an Iraqi provisional government assisted as necessary by the United Nations and replace existing security arrangements with a multinational force under unified command obliged to report to the Security Council-(Mr Menzies Campbell);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'supports the vital role played by the United Nations in Iraq as endorsed by UN Security Council Resolutions 1483 and 1500 (2003); pays tribute to the Secretary General's Special Representative, Sergio Vieira de Mello and his colleagues brutally murdered in the terrorist atrocity of 19th August; welcomes the determination of the United Nations Secretary General to remain engaged in Iraq; further welcomes the initiation of discussions on a new UN Security Council Resolution on Iraq, which aims to reaffirm the United Nations' support for the work of the Governing Council, calls on the Governing Council to submit a timetable and programme for the drafting of a new constitution for Iraq and for the holding of democratic elections, proposes a United Nations-mandated multinational force under existing unified command arrangements and encourages UN Member States and international organisations to help the Iraqi people by providing resources for rehabilitation and reconstruction at next month's conference in Madrid', instead thereof.-(Mr Secretary Straw.)

5    Deferred Divisions,-The Deputy Speaker announced the results of Divisions which had been deferred to this day, pursuant to the Orders of the House [28th June 2001 and 29th October 2002]:

    Local Government Finance (England),-That the Special Grant Report (No. 125) (House of Commons Paper No. 776) on the Preserved Rights Grant for 2003-04, dated 16th June 2003, a copy of which was laid before this House on 16th June, be approved.

      Ayes: 389.

      Noes: 1.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Local Government Finance (England),-That the Special Grant Report (No. 124) (House of Commons Paper No. 777) on the Delayed Discharges Grant for 2003-04, dated 16th June 2003, a copy of which was laid before this House on 16th June, be approved.

      Ayes: 255.

      Noes: 40.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Local Government Finance (England),-That the Special Grant Report (No. 123) (House of Commons Paper No. 778) on the Social Services (High Performers No. 2) Grant for 2003-04, dated 16th June 2003, a copy of which was laid before this House on 16th June, be approved.

      Ayes: 387.

      Noes: 1.

    So the Question was agreed to.

6    Opposition Day [16th allotted day],-Role of the United Nations in Iraq,-The Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    Mr Andrew Stunell rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Annette Brooke, Richard Younger-Ross: 53.

      Tellers for the Noes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr John Heppell: 285.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):-It was agreed to.

    The Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House supports the vital role played by the United Nations in Iraq as endorsed by UN Security Council Resolutions 1483 and 1500 (2003); pays tribute to the Secretary General's Special Representative, Sergio Vieira de Mello and his colleagues brutally murdered in the terrorist atrocity of 19th August; welcomes the determination of the United Nations Secretary General to remain engaged in Iraq; further welcomes the initiation of discussions on a new UN Security Council Resolution on Iraq, which aims to reaffirm the United Nations' support for the work of the Governing Council, calls on the Governing Council to submit a timetable and programme for the drafting of a new constitution for Iraq and for the holding of democratic elections, proposes a United Nations-mandated multinational force under existing unified command arrangements and encourages UN Member States and international organisations to help the Iraqi people by providing resources for rehabilitation and reconstruction at next month's conference in Madrid.

7    Public Accounts,-Ordered, That Geraint Davies and Mr George Howarth be discharged from the Committee of Public Accounts and Jon Cruddas and Jim Sheridan be added.-(Joan Ryan.)

8    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Joan Ryan);

    And the Motion having been made after Seven o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House, without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then a quarter to Eight o'clock, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 7.45 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

    1    Family Law,-Draft Child Support (Miscellaneous Amendments) (No. 2) Regulations 2003 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    2    Clean Air,-Smoke Control Areas (Exempted Fireplaces) (England) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2328), dated 8th September 2003 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

    3    Constitutional Law,-Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002 (Power to Call for Witnesses and Documents) (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2278), dated 3rd September 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

    4    Food,-Food (Star Anise from Third Countries) (Emergency Control) (England) (Revocation) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2338), dated 9th September 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    5    Income Tax,-Taxation of Benefits under Government Pilot Schemes (Return to Work Credit and Employment Retention and Advancement Schemes) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2339), dated 10th September 2003 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

    6    Medicines,-Medicines (Child Safety) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2317), dated 6th September 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    7    National Health Service,-(1) Delayed Discharges (England) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2277), and

    (2) Delayed Discharges (Mental Health Care) (England) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2276),

    dated 4th September 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    8    Social Security,-(1) Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2340), dated 10th September 2003 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo],

    (2) Social Security (Miscellaneous Amendments) (No. 2) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2279), dated 7th September 2003, and

    (3) Social Security (Incapacity) (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 2262), dated 2nd September 2003

    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Other Papers:

    9    Care Standards,-Account of the General Social Care Council for 2002-03, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1069] [Clerk of the House].

    10    Government Resources and Accounts,-Account of the Royal Naval Submarine Museum for 2002-03, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1070] [Clerk of the House].

    11    Health,-Government Response to the Third Report of the Health Committee, Session 2002-03, on Sexual Health [by Command] [Cm. 5959] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    12    Home Office,-Home Office Minute, dated 10th September 2003, concerning a proposed contingent liability for the provision of an indemnity to operators of new detection technology [by Command] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    13    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister,-Government Response to the Ninth Report of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee, Session 2002-03, on Reducing Regional Disparities in Prosperity [by Command] [Cm. 5958] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Planning and Compulsory Purchase (Re-committed) Bill,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Peter Pike and Mr Alan Hurst Chairmen of Standing Committee A in respect of the Bill.

    2    Water Bill [Lords]:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee D and has appointed Mr Bill O'Brien and Mr David Amess Chairmen; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated twenty-five Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nick Ainger, Ms Candy Atherton, Norman Baker, Kevin Brennan, Richard Burden, Tony Cunningham, Jim Dobbin, Sue Doughty, Mr David Drew, Dr Brian Iddon, Miss Melanie Johnson, Mr Robert Key, Andy King, Jim Knight, Mr Andrew Lansley, Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger, Mr Elliot Morley, Diana Organ, Mr George Osborne, Dr Nick Palmer, Mr Sin Simon, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr Simon Thomas, Paddy Tipping and Mr Bill Wiggin.

    3    Draft Vienna Document 1999 (Privileges and Immunities for Partners) Regulations 2003,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Nigel Beard Chairman of the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Regulations.

    4    Thurrock Development Corporation (Area and Constitution) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Paul Clark, Mr David Clelland, Mr Edward Davey, Julia Drown, Paul Farrelly, Mr Adrian Flook, Mr Mark Francois, Mike Gapes, Matthew Green, Mr Fabian Hamilton, Mr Philip Hammond, Keith Hill, Linda Perham, Mr Terry Rooney, Mr Jonathan Sayeed and Jim Sheridan.

    5    Draft Contracting Out (Local Education Authority Functions) (England) (Amendment) Order 2003,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Edward O'Hara Chairman of the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order.

    6    Draft Employment (Northern Ireland) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation and has appointed Mr Joe Benton Chairman;

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Roy Beggs, Virginia Bottomley, Mr Alistair Carmichael, Mr Vernon Coaker, Mr Jonathan Djanogly, Huw Irranca-Davies, Alan Keen, Jane Kennedy, Mr Piara S. Khabra, Mr Eric Martlew, Dr Doug Naysmith, Mr Greg Pope, James Purnell, Mr Clive Soley, Mr John Taylor and Angela Watkinson.

    7    Draft Partnerships etc. (Removal of Twenty Member Limit) Northern Ireland Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation and has appointed Mr Peter Pike Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Roy Beggs, Mr Vernon Coaker, Mr Parmjit Dhanda, Mr Frank Doran, Mrs Lorna Fitzsimons, Huw Irranca-Davies, Lembit pik, Mr Ian Pearson, Mr Ken Purchase, Mr Chris Smith, Mr John Taylor, Sir Teddy Taylor, Mr Michael Trend, Dr Rudi Vis, Angela Watkinson and Mr Brian Wilson.

Grand Committees

    8    Northern Ireland Grand Committee,-The Speaker has appointed Mr John McWilliam Chairman of the Northern Ireland Grand Committee in respect of its meeting on Thursday 23rd October.

European Standing Committees

    9    European Union Document No. 10980/03 relating to the Recovery Plan for Northern Hake, has been referred to European Standing Committee A.

    10    European Union Document No. 11817/03 relating to Reduced Rates of VAT, has been referred to European Standing Committee B.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Defence,-(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [Lessons of Iraq]; to be printed [No. 695-ix]; and

    (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Draft Civil Contingencies Bill]

    [Mr Bruce George].

    2    Draft Mental Incapacity Bill,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Joint Committee on the Draft Mental Incapacity Bill]; to be printed [No. 1083-i] [Mrs Angela Browning].

    3    Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [Secondary Education: School Admissions]; to be printed [No. 1075-i] [Mr Barry Sheerman].

    4    Environmental Audit,-(1) Eleventh Report from the Environmental Audit Committee [The Sustainable Development Headline Indicators 2002]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1080];

    (2) Fourth Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Fifth Report from the Committee, Session 2002-03, on Waste-An Audit], together with Appendices to the Report; to be printed [No. 1081]; and

    (3) Fifth Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Sixth Report from the Committee, Session 2002-03, on the Government's Response to the Sixth Report, Session 2001-02, on Buying Time for Forests: Timber Trade and Public Procurement]; to be printed [No. 1082]

    [Mr Peter Ainsworth].

    5    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-(1) Fourteenth Report from the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [Gangmasters], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 691];

    (2) Ninth Special Report from the Committee [Government's Reply to the Eighth Report from the Committee, Session 2002-03, on The Future of Waste Management]; to be printed [No. 1084];

    (3) Tenth Special Report from the Committee [Government's Reply to the Ninth Report from the Committee, Session 2002-03, on The Delivery of Education in Rural Areas]; to be printed [No. 1085];

    (4) Eleventh Special Report from the Committee [Government's Reply to the Tenth Report from the Committee, Session 2002-03, on Horticulture Research International]; to be printed [No. 1086];

    (5) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Alternative Uses for Crops (Biofuels)]; to be printed [No. 929-ii]; and

    (6) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Gangmasters]

    [Mr David Curry].

    6    European Scrutiny,-(1) Thirty-first Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-xxxi]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Inter-Governmental Conference on the Draft Treaty on a Constitution for Europe]; to be printed [No. 1078-i]

    [Mr Jimmy Hood].

    7    Northern Ireland Affairs,-Seventh Special Report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Government's Response to the Seventh Report from the Committee, Session 2002-03, on Peace II]; to be printed [No. 1077] [Mr Michael Mates].

    8    Procedure,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Procedure Committee [Sessional Orders and Resolutions]; to be printed [No. 855-iii] [Sir Nicholas Winterton].

    9    Public Accounts,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts [Progress on 15 major capital projects funded by Arts Council England]; to be printed [No. 1087-i] [Mr Edward Leigh].

    10    Transport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Committee [Departmental Annual Report]; to be printed [No. 918-i] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    11    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee of the Treasury Committee [HM Treasury Departmental Report 2003]; to be printed [No. 1079-i] [Mr John McFall].

    12    Work and Pensions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Work and Pensions Committee [Departmental Report]; to be printed [No. 1068-i] [Sir Archy Kirkwood].


[W.H., No. 86]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Charlotte Atkins.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 4.55 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker


CORRIGENDUM

    In the Votes and Proceedings of Tuesday 9th September, in item 9, relating to Adjournment (Conference Recess), the words 'it was agreed to' should be added at the end.



 
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