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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Monday 7th July 2003

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Selection,-Ordered, That Phil Hope be discharged from the Committee of Selection and Lawrie Quinn be added to the Committee-(Mr Bob Ainsworth.)

2    Message from the Lords,-A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

    The Lords have agreed to the Marine Safety Bill, without Amendment.

3    First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Peter Pike reported from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Asylum (Designated States) (No. 2) Order 2003.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Miss Anne Begg reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Port Waste Reception Facilities) Regulations 2003.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

5    Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr James Cran reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Avian Influenza and Newcastle Disease (England and Wales) Order 2003.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

6    Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mrs Marion Roe reported from the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Database Protection Agreement Between the United Kingdom on behalf of the Isle of Man and the European Community) Order 2003.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

7    Opposition Day [13th allotted day],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.

    Government Targets,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes the abject failure of the Government to meet its targets for delivery on public services; believes the current public service agreement regime to be deeply flawed; is concerned in particular that the volume of targets and their rigid and centralised structure have stifled local initiative, diminished professional responsibility, distorted priorities and diverted time and attention away from the task of improving public services; regrets that the Government has used targets as a substitute for real reform; and calls on the Government to embrace the principles of professional autonomy, decentralisation, diversity and choice in the public services, in order to end its policy of taxing and spending and failing-(Mr Michael Howard);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'welcomes the Government's record extra investment in health, education and Britain's other vital public services; supports the Government's agenda of linking this investment to public service reform through Public Service Agreements to build high quality public services for all; welcomes the attainment of economic stability, with low inflation, low interest rates, and low unemployment; believes that the achievement of this platform of stability has made record extra investment in public services possible; supports the Government's determination to do nothing to put this stability at risk; believes that after years of neglect between 1979 and 1997 it is even more important to invest in our public services and that to fail to invest in health, education, and other vital public services would be deeply damaging; and supports this Government's resistance to any attempt at this time of global economic uncertainty to cut public spending', instead thereof.-(Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    David Maclean rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Randall, Mr Mark Francois: 178.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Nick Ainger, Bridget Prentice: 336.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):-It was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House welcomes the Government's record extra investment in health, education and Britain's other vital public services; supports the Government's agenda of linking this investment to public service reform through Public Service Agreements to build high quality public services for all; welcomes the attainment of economic stability, with low inflation, low interest rates, and low unemployment; believes that the achievement of this platform of stability has made record extra investment in public services possible; supports the Government's determination to do nothing to put this stability at risk; believes that after years of neglect between 1979 and 1997 it is even more important to invest in our public services and that to fail to invest in health, education, and other vital public services would be deeply damaging; and supports this Government's resistance to any attempt at this time of global economic uncertainty to cut public spending.

    Tax Credits Scheme,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House condemns the Government for failing to pay the new tax credits on time to millions of entitled families, including those who applied before the January deadline; is concerned that many families are still waiting to receive the money they are owed; regrets the serious financial difficulties suffered by many of these families; condemns the clumsy arrangements for paying overdue tax credits; calls on ministers to explain why the Inland Revenue computer system has proved so unreliable; shares the widespread concern that take-up of the new tax credits is likely to be low; regrets the quality of information available on the new tax credits; and calls on the Government to set up a system of emergency Social Fund loans to people who are still waiting for the correct tax credit payment-(Mr David Willetts);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'notes that the introduction of the Child Tax Credit is the biggest single change in support for families since the Beveridge reforms of the 1940s, and a more radical change than the introduction of Child Benefit 25 years ago; notes that the new tax credits represent the biggest ever investment in families with children, with no government ever having spent so much on children and families; welcomes the fact that 90 per cent. of families with children are eligible for the Child Tax Credit; further welcomes the fact that tax credits are now being paid to 4.2 million families; notes that in addition 1.3 million families with children on Income Support and Jobseekers' Allowance are already benefiting from the increased level of support through their benefits; welcomes the fact that 5.5 million families are therefore now benefiting from tax credits, with more and more being paid every week; and believes that these figures belie the persistent criticism that people would not claim, and that those who said that families would not apply for the new tax credits, and that take up would be low, have been proved wrong', instead thereof.-(Mr Secretary Smith.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    Mr Patrick McLoughlin rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Randall, Mr Mark Francois: 186.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Mr Vernon Coaker: 329.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Mr Vernon Coaker: 325.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Mark Francois, Mr John Randall: 179.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House notes that the introduction of the Child Tax Credit is the biggest single change in support for families since the Beveridge reforms of the 1940s, and a more radical change than the introduction of Child Benefit 25 years ago; notes that the new tax credits represent the biggest ever investment in families with children, with no government ever having spent so much on children and families; welcomes the fact that 90 per cent. of families with children are eligible for the Child Tax Credit; further welcomes the fact that tax credits are now being paid to 4.2 million families; notes that in addition 1.3 million families with children on Income Support and Jobseekers' Allowance are already benefiting from the increased level of support through their benefits; welcomes the fact that 5.5 million families are therefore now benefiting from tax credits, with more and more being paid every week; and believes that these figures belie the persistent criticism that people would not claim, and that those who said that families would not apply for the new tax credits, and that take up would be low, have been proved wrong.

8    Electricity,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Electricity and Gas (Modification of Standard Conditions of Licences) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 12th June, be approved-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

9    Contracting Out,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Contracting Out (Function in relation to the Management of Crown Lands) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 11th June, be approved-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

10    Value Added Tax,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the Value Added Tax (Finance) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1568), dated 16th June 2003, a copy of which was laid before this House on 16th June, be approved-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

11    Representation of the People,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Representation of the People (Form of Canvas) (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2003, which were laid before this House on 13th June, be approved-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

12    Community Care,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Community Care Plans (Disapplication) (England) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 12th June, be approved-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

13    Additives in Animal Nutrition,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees), That this House takes note of European Union Document No. 7505/02, draft Regulation on additives for use in animal nutrition; and supports the Government's view that the measure will enhance the protection of consumers of livestock products and rationalise authorisation procedures-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

14    Adjournment (Summer),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 25 (Periodic adjournments), That this House, at its rising on Thursday 17th July, do adjourn till Monday 8th September 2003-(Mr Jim Murphy):-It was agreed to.

15    Modernisation of the House of Commons,-Ordered, That Dr John Reid and Caroline Flint be discharged from the Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons and Peter Hain and Martin Linton be added.-(Mr Jim Murphy.)

16    Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from Mrs Stella Lilley, Mr Edward McCabe, Mr Francis McFadyen and others against the proposed broadcasting of the television programme, 'Popetown' by the BBC was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

17    Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from Mrs Stella Lilley, Mr Edward McCabe, Mr Francis McFadyen and others against the proposed broadcasting of the television programme, 'Popetown' by the BBC was presented; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

18    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Mr Jim Murphy);

    And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then five minutes past Eleven o'clock, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.05 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

    1    Northern Ireland,-Draft Partnerships etc. (Removal of Twenty Member Limit) (Northern Ireland) Order 2003 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Murphy].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    2    Disabled Persons,-Rail Vehicle Accessibility (Festiniog Railway Company Vehicle Number 122) Exemption Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1687), dated 3rd July 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

    3    Road Traffic,-Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1690), dated 4th July [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

Other Papers:

    4    Broadcasting,-Account of the Broadcasting Standards Commission for 2002-03, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 944] [Clerk of the House].

    5    Courts and Legal Services,-(1) Report and Summary Financial Statement of the Legal Services Ombudsman for 2002-03 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 791] and

    (2) Accounts of the Legal Services Ombudsman for 2002-03, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]

    [David Lammy].

    6    Criminal Appeal,-Report of the Criminal Cases Review Commission for 2002-03 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    7    Electoral Law (Northern Ireland),-Report of the Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland for 2002-03 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 795] [Mr Secretary Murphy].

    8    Further and Higher Education,-Account of the Higher Education Funding Council for England for 2002-03, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 943] [Clerk of the House].

    9    Health,-Government Response to the Second Report from the Health Committee, Session 2002-03, on NHS Foundation Trusts [by Command] [Cm. 5876] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    10    Merchant Shipping,-Report by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency of prosecutions and intervention under sections 131 and 137 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 during the period 1st January to 31st December 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

    11    Northern Ireland,-Report and Accounts of the Special EU Programmes Body for Northern Ireland for 2001 [by Statutory Instrument] [Mr Secretary Murphy].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Draft Asylum (Designated States) (No. 2) Order 2003,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Derek Foster and Mr Graham Stringer from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Mr Tony Clarke and Mr Anthony D. Wright.

    2    Draft Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Port Waste Reception Facilities) Regulations 2003,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr David Borrow, Helen Jones and Mr Paul Truswell from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Harry Barnes, Roger Casale and Dr Nick Palmer.

    3    Draft Avian Influenza and Newcastle Disease (England and Wales) Order 2003,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Tony Baldry, Dr Ian Gibson and Julie Morgan from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Mr Russell Brown, Mr James Plaskill and Andrew Selous.

    4    Draft Social Security (Jobcentre Plus Interviews for Partners) Regulations 2003,-The Committee of Selection has discharged John Austin, Mr Paul Goodman, Kate Hoey, Linda Perham, Mr Brian Sedgemore and Mr Tom Watson from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Regulations); and nominated in substitution Valerie Davey, Mr Hilton Dawson, Mr Michael Jabez Foster, Patrick Hall, Mr Oliver Heald and Kali Mountford.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [Secondary Education: Teacher Retention]; to be printed [No. 714-v] [Mr Barry Sheerman].

    2    International Development,-Seventh Report from the International Development Committee [Trade and Development at the WTO: Issues for Cancún], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 400-I and -II] [Tony Baldry].

    3    Public Administration,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Select Committee on Public Administration [Ministerial Powers and the Prerogative]; to be printed [No. 642-v] [Tony Wright].

    4    Science and Technology,-(1) Fifth Report from the Science and Technology Committee [The Work of the Natural Environment Research Council], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 674]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Work of the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council]; to be printed [No. 936-i]

    [Dr Ian Gibson].

    5    Welsh Affairs,-Memorandum laid before the Welsh Affairs Committee [The Government Response to the Fourth Report from the Committee, on The Primary Legislative Process as it affects Wales] [Mr Martyn Jones].

CORRIGENDA

    In the Votes and Proceedings of 1st July 2003, in Appendix III, item 8, relating to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [Transparency of Credit Card Charges], should have had House of Commons Paper No. 962-i.

    In the Votes and Proceedings of 2nd July 2003, in Appendix III, item 2 (2), relating to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environmental Audit Committee [Greening Government and Timber Procurement], should have had House of Commons Paper No. 961-i.



 
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