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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 25th June 2003

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Female Genital Mutilation Bill,-Mr Roger Gale reported from Standing Committee C, That it had gone through the Female Genital Mutilation Bill, and directed him to report the same, without Amendment.

    Bill, not amended in the Standing Committee, to be considered on Friday 4th July.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 879].

2    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-David Taylor reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 122) on local authorities with autonomy on formulaic capital allowances.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Miss Anne Begg reported from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Army, Air Force and Naval Discipline Acts (Continuation) Order 2003 and the draft Armed Forces (Review of Search and Seizure) Order 2003.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Peter Pike reported from the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (Juxtaposed Controls) Order 2003.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

5    Historic Counties (Traffic Signs and Mapping),-Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the law so as to require the Ordnance Survey of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to mark the boundaries of the historic counties on its maps; to require traffic authorities to cause traffic signs to be placed on or near roads for the purpose of indicating the location of historic county boundaries; and for connected purposes: And that Mr John Randall, Mr David Amess, Mr Harry Barnes, Mr David Curry, Mr Nigel Evans, Mr Adrian Flook, Mr David Hinchliffe, Mr Elfyn Llwyd, Andrew Rosindell, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr David Wilshire and Sir Nicholas Winterton do prepare and bring it in.

6    Historic Counties (Traffic Signs and Mapping) Bill,-Mr John Randall accordingly presented a Bill to amend the law so as to require the Ordnance Survey of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to mark the boundaries of the historic counties on its maps; to require traffic authorities to cause traffic signs to be placed on or near roads for the purpose of indicating the location of historic county boundaries; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 11th July and to be printed [Bill 134].

7    Opposition Day [11th allotted day],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.

    University Tuition Fees,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes the views of the National Union of Students about university tuition fees; and believes that the consequence of the Government's proposal relating to tuition fees will be to act as a severe deterrent to many students from hard-working but less well-off families, who will not be eligible for the £1,000 maintenance grant, from applying to university-(Mr Damian Green);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'rejects any proposal to abolish the existing fee of £1,100, which would lead to substantial reductions in the numbers of places in higher education and, as a consequence, fewer lecturers and a lower quality higher education experience; congratulates the Government on its plan to abolish up front tuition fees and to raise the threshold for repayment of loans from £10,000 to £15,000; welcomes the steps that the Government is taking to widen participation amongst students from deprived backgrounds, the establishment of the Office for Fair Access, the introduction from 2004-05 of a £1,000 grant for students from the poorest backgrounds and better support for part-time students; condemns any proposal to withdraw the funding that is already being spent on widening participation, which would lead to fewer students from deprived backgrounds entering higher education and completing their degrees; and supports the continued expansion in participation planned by the Government and the part to be played by foundation degrees designed in collaboration with employers as an appropriate strategy to equip the UK workforce with the high level skills needed to compete in the global marketplace', instead thereof.-(Mr Secretary Clarke.)

    And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;

8    Deferred Divisions,-The Deputy Speaker announced the results of the Division which had been deferred to this day, pursuant to the Orders of the House [28th June 2001 and 29th October 2002]:

    Sexual Orientation Discrimination,-That the draft Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003, which were laid before this House on 8th May, be approved.

      Ayes: 267.

      Noes: 54.

    So the Question was agreed to.

9    Opposition Day,-University Tuition Fees,-The Question being again proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    Mr Patrick McLoughlin rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mr Mark Francois: 191.

      Tellers for the Noes, Paul Clark, Jim Fitzpatrick: 293.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):-It was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House rejects any proposal to abolish the existing fee of £1,100, which would lead to substantial reductions in the numbers of places in higher education and, as a consequence, fewer lecturers and a lower quality higher education experience; congratulates the Government on its plan to abolish up front tuition fees and to raise the threshold for repayment of loans from £10,000 to £15,000; welcomes the steps that the Government is taking to widen participation amongst students from deprived backgrounds, the establishment of the Office for Fair Access, the introduction from 2004-05 of a £1,000 grant for students from the poorest backgrounds and better support for part-time students; condemns any proposal to withdraw the funding that is already being spent on widening participation, which would lead to fewer students from deprived backgrounds entering higher education and completing their degrees; and supports the continued expansion in participation planned by the Government and the part to be played by foundation degrees designed in collaboration with employers as an appropriate strategy to equip the UK workforce with the high level skills needed to compete in the global marketplace.

    Fair Terms for International Trade,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House shares the concern of the Trade Justice Movement about the plight of the poorest people in the world, and congratulates the Movement on bringing their conditions to the attention of the public; notes with concern the fact that a billion people live on less than a dollar a day, that life expectancy in many African countries is declining, and that 30 million people in Africa have HIV/AIDS; believes that rising levels of international trade and trade liberalisation offer the best hope of alleviating poverty in the developing world; calls for high quality legal and economic advice for developing countries on trade issues; further believes that the Government has failed to do enough to promote trade liberalisation, to reform agricultural subsidies and to phase out European trade barriers; and further calls on the Government to use the World Trade Organisation meeting at Cancun to do more to reform the international trade rules to give poor countries a fair deal on international trade-(Mrs Caroline Spelman);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'congratulates the Trade Justice Movement on bringing the plight of the poorest people in the world to the attention of the public; notes with concern the fact that a billion people live on less than a dollar a day, that life expectancy in many African countries is declining, and that 30 million people in Africa have HIV/AIDS; reaffirms the commitment made in the 2000 White Paper "Eliminating World Poverty: A Challenge for the 21st Century" to improving international trade rules so that they work for all countries, and especially the poorest, in helping to reduce poverty; notes that the successful pursuit of trade reform through the Doha round of multilateral negotiations could contribute substantially to the Millennium Development Goals; welcomes the substantial efforts the Government is making to promote trade liberalisation, reform agricultural subsidies and phase out European trade barriers; believes that significant progress must be made to improve access for developing countries to developed country markets; further believes that a solution to the Agreement on Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) and public health negotiations is urgently needed; and welcomes the commitment to ensuring that the Doha round produces real benefits for the poor', instead thereof.-(Hilary Benn.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    Mr David Maclean rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 177.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Jim Murphy, Charlotte Atkins: 295.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):-It was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House congratulates the Trade Justice Movement on bringing the plight of the poorest people in the world to the attention of the public; notes with concern the fact that a billion people live on less than a dollar a day, that life expectancy in many African countries is declining, and that 30 million people in Africa have HIV/AIDS; reaffirms the commitment made in the 2000 White Paper 'Eliminating World Poverty: A Challenge for the 21st Century' to improving international trade rules so that they work for all countries, and especially the poorest, in helping to reduce poverty; notes that the successful pursuit of trade reform through the Doha round of multilateral negotiations could contribute substantially to the Millennium Development Goals; welcomes the substantial efforts the Government is making to promote trade liberalisation, reform agricultural subsidies and phase out European trade barriers; believes that significant progress must be made to improve access for developing countries to developed country markets; further believes that a solution to the Agreement on Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) and public health negotiations is urgently needed; and welcomes the commitment to ensuring that the Doha round produces real benefits for the poor.

10    Prisons,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Release of Short-Term Prisoners on Licence (Repeal of Age Restriction) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 5th June, be approved-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

11    Public Petitions,-Public Petitions from-

    (1) pupils of Ashdown School, Poole, for improved funding for schools,

    (2) customers of pharmacies in Petts Wood, Biggin Hill, Crofton Road and St Paul's Cray against the unrestricted opening of pharmacies able to dispense NHS prescriptions,

    (3) Jeff White, Kate Knight and others for the return of two geese removed from the banks of the River Parrett at Bridgewater, and

    (4) residents of Watchet, Somerset, for amendment of the plans for housing development on Severn Terrace Fields

    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

12    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Derek Twigg.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till thirteen minutes to Eight o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 7.47 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

    1    Animals,-Draft Avian Influenza and Newcastle Disease (England and Wales) Order 2003 [by Act]; with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

    2    Social Security,-Draft Social Security (Jobcentre Plus Interviews for Partners) Regulations 2003 [by Act]; with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    3    Pensions (Northern Ireland),-Pensions Appeal Tribunals (Northern Ireland) (Amendment) Rules 2003 (S.R. (N.I.), 2003, No. 316), dated 20th June 2003 [by Act] [Mr Christopher Leslie].

    4    Sports Grounds and Sporting Events,-Safety of Sports Grounds (Designation) (No. 2) Order 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1637), dated 24th June 2003 [by Act] [Secretary Tessa Jowell].

    5    Social Security,-Social Security (Back to Work Bonus and Lone Parent Run-on) (Amendment and Revocation) Regulations 2003 (S.I., 2003, No. 1589), dated 17th June 2003 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Other Papers:

    6    Audit (Northern Ireland),-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General for Northern Ireland on the Investigation of Suspected Fraud in the Water Service [by Statutory Instrument]; to be printed [No. 735] [The Clerk of the House].

    7    Broadcasting,-(1) Report, and

    (2) Statement of Accounts

of S4C for 2002 [by Act] [Secretary Tessa Jowell].

    8    Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration,-Supplement to the Thirty-Second Report for 2003 of the Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration [by Command] [Cm 5722] [The Prime Minister].

    9    Environmental Pollution,-Twenty-Fourth Report of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution, on Chemicals in Products: Safeguarding the Environment and Human Health [by Command] [Cm. 5827] [Mr David Lammy].

    10    Health,-Department of Health Minute, dated 25th June 2003, concerning a proposed contingent liability for a review into the efficacy and safety of treatments offered by the Breakspear Hospital [by Command] [Mr Secreatry Reid].

    11    Public Accounts,-Treasury Minute on the Thirteenth Report from the Committee of Public Accounts, Session 2002-03 [by Command] [Cm. 5849] [John Healey].

    12    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry on the Petitions [15th May] [one Petition] from United Kingdom citizens; [16th May] [two Petitions] from residents of Ilford North; and electors within the Parliamentary constituency of Ryedale;[20th May] [two Petitions] from residents of Buckinghamshire; and users of Knights Pharmacy, Longbridge, Birmingham and other residents; [21st May] [one Petition] from Ruth M Ingham and others; [22nd May] [one Petition] from residents of South Swindon; [five Petitions] from residents of Newcastle-under-Lyme; Michael Morrell; Richard Else; Anthony Milward; Judith Hogan and users of Hollowood Chemists; and [11th June] [one Petition] from residents of Reading and Woodley against the unrestricted opening of pharmacies able to dispense NHS prescriptions [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

    13    Romania (No. 1, 2003),-Agreement, done at Bucharest on 20th February 2003, between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of Romania on the Readmission of Persons Protocol for the implementation of the Agreement, with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Cm. 5856] [Mr Secretary Straw].

    14    Treaty Series (No. 59, 2002),-Third Supplementary List of Ratifications, Accessions, Withdrawals, etc., for 2002 [Cm. 5855] [Mr Secretary Straw].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Female Genital Mutilation Bill,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Hilary Benn and Paul Clark from Standing Committee C (in respect of the Bill); and nominated in substitution Paul Goggins and Helen Jackson.

    2    Draft Asylum (Designated States) (No. 2) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Annette Brooke, David Cairns, Mr James Clappison, Mr Wayne David, Angela Eagle, Paul Flynn, Mr Derek Foster, Mr Mark Francois, Mr Barry Gardiner, Mr Dominic Grieve, Mr John Heppell, Beverley Hughes, Simon Hughes, Mr Richard Page, Mr Sion Simon and Mr Graham Stringer.

    3    Draft Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Port Waste Reception Facilities) Regulations 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Ms Diane Abbott, Ann Coffey, Paul Farrelly, Mr Don Foster, Andrew George, Mr Nick Gibb, Mr David Heyes, Helen Jackson, Mr David Jamieson, Helen Jones, Miss Anne McIntosh, Gillian Merron, Mr George Osborne, Mr Ken Purchase, Mr Robert Syms and Mr Paul Truswell.

    4    Draft Electricity and Gas (Modification of Standard Conditions of Licences) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Charlotte Atkins, Mr Roger Berry, Dr Vincent Cable, Mr Jonathan Djanogly, Mr Bill Etherington, Mr Mark Field, Barbara Follett, Patrick Hall, Tony Lloyd, Mr Alan Meale, Mr Austin Mitchell, Mr Andrew Robathan, Hugh Robertson, Ian Stewart, Mr Andrew Stunell and Mr Stephen Timms.

    5    Draft Contracting Out (Function in relation to the Management of Crown Lands) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Vera Baird, Mr Ben Chapman, Michael Fabricant, Mr Adrian Flook, Nick Harvey, Mr Mark Hoban, Dr Brian Iddon, Mr Fraser Kemp, Mr Peter Mandelson, Julie Morgan, Estelle Morris, Mr Malcolm Moss, Dr Nick Palmer, Mr Adrian Sanders, Mark Tami and David Winnick.

    6    Value Added Tax (Finance) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Order to the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Bob Blizzard, Mrs Helen Clark, Jim Dobbin, Jim Fitzpatrick, John Healey, Lynne Jones, Norman Lamb, Mr David Laws, Mr Stephen O'Brien, Linda Perham, Mr David Ruffley, Helen Southworth, Mr Andrew Tyrie, Mr Tom Watson, Brian White and Mr David Wilshire.

    7    Draft Representation of the People (Form of Canvass) (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nicholas Brown, Mr Kenneth Clarke, Ann Clwyd, Mr Vernon Coaker, Denzil Davies, Mr Dai Havard, Lady Hermon, Mr John Horam, Ms Sally Keeble, Shona McIsaac, Mr Jim Marshall, Lembit Öpik, Mr John Spellar, Mr Gerry Steinberg, Mr John Taylor and Mr David Wilshire.

    8    Draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Canada) Order 2003 and the draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Mauritius) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr John Burnett, John Cryer, Mr Jim Cunningham, Mr Parmjit Dhanda, Jim Fitzpatrick, Alan Howarth, Norman Lamb, Mr David Lepper, Ann McKechin, Dawn Primarolo, Mr Mark Prisk, Mrs Barbara Roche, Mr Richard Shepherd, Helen Southworth, Mr Michael Trend and Mr David Wilshire.

    9    Draft Greater London Authority Elections (Election Addresses) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Tenth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Tom Brake, Mr Colin Challen, Mr Michael Clapham, Paul Clark, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Mr Iain Coleman, Clive Efford, Mr Mark Field, Linda Gilroy, Matthew Green, Keith Hill, Glenda Jackson, Chris McCafferty, Dr Doug Naysmith, Mr John Randall and Mr Andrew Rosindell.

    10    Draft Insolvency Act 1986 (Amendment) (Administrative Receivership and Urban Regeneration etc.) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Eleventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Charlotte Atkins, Mr Henry Bellingham, Dr Vincent Cable, Harry Cohen, Brian Cotter, Mr Jim Cousins, Mr Robert Jackson, Mr Peter Kilfoyle, Rosemary McKenna, Mr David Marshall, Patrick Mercer, Mr Andrew Miller, Mr Denis Murphy, Dan Norris, Hugh Robertson and Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Defence,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [Defence Procurement and Lessons of Iraq]; to be printed [Nos. 694-iii and 695-v] [Mr Bruce George].

    2    Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [Public Expenditure]; to be printed [No. 864-i] [Mr Barry Sheerman].

    3    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-(1) Tenth Report from the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [Horticulture Research International]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 873]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Lord Haskin's Rural Delivery Review]; to be printed [No. 874]

    [Mr David Curry].

    4    European Scrutiny,-(1) Twenty-sixth Report from the European Scrutiny Committee [The Convention's proposals on criminal justice], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-xxvi]; and

    (2) Twenty-seventh Report from the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-xxvii]

    [Mr Jim Marshall].

    5    Foreign Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Foreign Affairs Committee [The Decision to go to War in Iraq]; to be printed [No. 813-ix] [Donald Anderson].

    6    Transport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Committee [Leadership and Regulation in the Rail Industry?]; to be printed [No. 875-i] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    7    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee of the Treasury Committee [The UK Debt Management Office]; to be printed [No. 884-i] [Mr John McFall].

    8    Welsh Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Welsh Affairs Committee [Wales Office Departmental Report 2003]; to be printed [No.883] [Mr Martyn Jones].

    9    Work and Pensions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Work and Pensions Committee [European Social Fund]; to be printed [No. 680-iii] [Sir Archy Kirkwood].

[W.H., No. 74]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-A Motion made, and the Question being proposed, That the sitting be now adjourned-(Charlotte Atkins);

    And the sitting having continued for two and a half hours after Two o'clock, it was adjourned without Question put, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 4.45 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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