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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 8th January 2003

The House met at half-past Eleven o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Health and Safety at Work (Amendment) Bill,-The Order for reading the Health and Safety at Work (Amendment) Bill a second time on Friday 31st January was read and discharged.

    Bill withdrawn.

2    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Nigel Beard reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Pet Travel Scheme (Pilot Arrangements) (England) (Amendment) (No. 2) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2850).

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Health and Safety at Work (Offences) Bill,-Lawrie Quinn, supported by Mr Tony Lloyd, Mr Michael Clapham, Mr Roy Beggs, Mr Frank Doran, Mr Richard Allan, Mr Bob Laxton, Ian Stewart, Mr Malcolm Savidge, Rob Marris, Mr Andrew Dismore and Judy Mallaber, presented a Bill to make provision about the prosecution and punishment of offences which are, or are treated as being, offences under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 or the Employers' Liability (Compulsory Insurance) Act 1969: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 31st January and to be printed [Bill 38].

4    Opposition Day [1st allotted day],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.

    Foundation Hospitals,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House welcomes the principle of Foundation Hospitals as a means of improving and enhancing patient care and giving hospitals the opportunity to operate free from political and ministerial interference; regrets the timidity of the Government, which is restricting applications for Foundation status solely to those hospitals enjoying 3-star status; fears that this restriction will create a two-tier health service, to the detriment of patients and staff, and therefore urges the Government to allow all hospitals to bid for Foundation status; calls for clarification of contradictions between ministerial statements and guidance contained in the Department of Health's 'A Guide to NHS Foundation Trusts, December 2002' about how Foundation Hospitals are intended to operate; and further calls on the Government to resolve widely publicised ministerial differences, which are likely to deter hospitals from seeking Foundation status-(Dr Liam Fox);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'welcomes the principle of NHS Foundation Trusts as part of the Government's wider programme to improve services for NHS patients; believes that NHS Foundation Trusts must be part of the National Health Service providing care to NHS patients according to NHS principles and subject to NHS standards and inspection; further believes that there should be no arbitrary cap on the numbers of NHS Foundation Trusts and that all NHS hospitals should get the help, support or intervention they need to improve; recognises that extra resources for the health service are delivering improved services for NHS patients and have to be matched with reforms so that standards in the NHS are national but control is local; supports the Government's efforts to devolve power to frontline services and to strengthen accountability to local communities; and rejects any proposal to introduce top-up vouchers for private treatment, tax subsidies for private medical insurance or cuts in public spending of 20 per cent. in view of the inevitable impact that such policies would have on NHS patients including those treated in NHS Foundation Trusts', instead thereof.-(Mr Secretary Milburn.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question.

    Mr David Maclean rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mark Francois, Mr David Wilshire: 144.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Jim Murphy, Charlotte Atkins: 381.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Jim Murphy, Charlotte Atkins: 282.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 150.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House welcomes the principle of NHS Foundation Trusts as part of the Government's wider programme to improve services for NHS patients; believes that NHS Foundation Trusts must be part of the National Health Service providing care to NHS patients according to NHS principles and subject to NHS standards and inspection; further believes that there should be no arbitrary cap on the numbers of NHS Foundation Trusts and that all NHS hospitals should get the help, support or intervention they need to improve; recognises that extra resources for the health service are delivering improved services for NHS patients and have to be matched with reforms so that standards in the NHS are national but control is local; supports the Government's efforts to devolve power to frontline services and to strengthen accountability to local communities; and rejects any proposal to introduce top-up vouchers for private treatment, tax subsidies for private medical insurance or cuts in public spending of 20 per cent. in view of the inevitable impact that such policies would have on NHS patients including those treated in NHS Foundation Trusts.

5    Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

6    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn.-(Joan Ryan.)

    And the Motion having been made after Seven o'clock, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then two minutes to Eight o'clock, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 7.58 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

1    Immigration,-Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules [by Act]; to be printed [No. 180] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

2    Police,-Police Pensions (Pension Sharing) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 3202), dated 20th December 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

3    Road Traffic,-(1) Road Traffic (Permitted Parking Area and Special Parking Area) (City of Sunderland) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 3266), and

    (2) Road Traffic (Permitted Parking Area and Special Parking Area) (County of Worcestershire) (City of Worcester) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 3265),

    dated 21st December 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

Other Papers:

4    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs on the Petition [27th November] from residents of Slough and others for Government action to prevent war crimes against Palestinians [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

5    Resource Accounts 2001-02,-Resource Accounts for 2001-02 of HM Procurator General and Treasury Solicitor, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 237] [Ruth Kelly]

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1    Local Government Bill:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Bill to Standing Committee A and has appointed Mr Win Griffiths and Derek Conway Chairmen; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated twenty-nine Members to serve on the Committee: Mr David Borrow, Mr Martin Caton, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Jon Cruddas, Mr David Curry, Mr Edward Davey, Valerie Davey, Mrs Janet Dean, Jim Dobbin, Linda Gilroy, Mr Paul Goodman, Matthew Green, Patrick Hall, Mr Philip Hammond, Dr Brian Iddon, Mr David Lepper, Mr Christopher Leslie, Kali Mountford, Dr John Pugh, Lawrie Quinn, Mr Nick Raynsford, Phil Sawford, Mr Desmond Swayne, Mr Robert Syms, Mr Simon Thomas, Mr Mark Todd, Mr Don Touhig, Mr Andrew Turner and Mr Phil Woolas.

2    Draft Commissioner for Children and Young People (Northern Ireland) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation and has appointed Mr Nigel Beard Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Peter Bottomley, Mr Desmond Browne, Mr Jim Cousins, Mr Ian Davidson, Mr Terry Davis, Mr Mark Field, Mr Roger Godsiff, Alan Howarth, Shona McIsaac, Mr Jim Marshall, Lembit Ípik, Joyce Quin, Joan Ryan, The Reverend Martin Smyth, Mr John Taylor and Mr David Wilshire.

3    Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Transfer of Functions to the Scottish Ministers etc.) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation and has appointed Mr John Cummings Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr David Cameron, Mr Peter Duncan, Mr George Foulkes, David Hamilton, Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger, Mr Iain Luke, Mr John MacDougall, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Jim Murphy, Sandra Osborne, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mr Frank Roy, Dr Gavin Strang, John Thurso, Pete Wishart and Mr James Wray.

4    Draft Access to Justice (Northern Ireland) Order 2003:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Ms Diane Abbott, Richard Burden, Mrs Ann Cryer, Mr Frank Field, Lady Hermon, Mr Fraser Kemp, Jim Knight, Chris McCafferty, Mr Andrew Mackay, Mr Gordon Marsden, Mr Austin Mitchell, Lembit Ípik, Mr John Taylor, Mr Andrew Turner, Mr David Wilshire and Ms Rosie Winterton.

5    Pet Travel Scheme (Pilot Arrangements) (England) (Amendment) (No. 2) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2850), - The Committee of Selection has discharged Geraldine Smith from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Order); and nominated in substitution Huw Irranca-Davies.

European Standing Committees

6    The Speaker has appointed Mr Joe Benton Chairman of European Standing Committee A in respect of European Union Document No. 13438/01 on Community Strategy for Dioxins, Furans and Polychlorinated Biphenyls.

7    The Speaker has appointed Miss Ann Widdecombe Chairman of European Standing Committee B in respect of European Union Document No. 8395/02 and an Unnumbered Explanatory Memorandum from the Lord Chancellor's Department and the Scottish Executive on jurisdiction and judgements relating to matrimonial matters and parental responsibility.

8    European Union Document No. 15301/02, relating to safety at sea, has been referred to European Standing Committee A.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Environmental Audit,-Third Report from the Environmental Audit Committee [Annual Report 2002]; to be printed [No. 262] [Mr John Horam].

    2    European Scrutiny,- Sixth Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-vi] [Mr Jim Marshall].

    3    Regulatory Reform and Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (Planning, Housing, Local Government and the Regions),-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Regulatory Reform Committee and Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (Planning, Housing, Local Government and the Regions) Committee (meeting concurrently pursuant to Standing Order No. 137A) [Proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Housing Management Agreements) Order 2002]; to be printed [No. 259] [Mr Peter Pike].

    4    Transport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Committee [Overcrowding on Public Transport]; to be printed [No. 200-i] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    5    Welsh Affairs,- Third Report from the Welsh Affairs Committee [Work of the Committee in 2002]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 263] [Mr Martyn Jones].


[W.H., No. 14]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall
The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the sitting be now adjourned-(Charlotte Atkins);

          And the sitting having continued for two and a half hours after Two o'clock, it was adjourned without Question put, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 4.30 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst   
Deputy Speaker      



 
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