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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 3rd December 2002

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr John McWilliam reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft International Development Association (Thirteenth Replenishment) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

2    Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-David Taylor reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (Codes of Practice) (Statutory Powers to Stop and Search) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Eleventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Alan Hurst reported from the Eleventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Environment (Northern Ireland) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Hunting Bill,-Secretary Margaret Beckett, supported by the Prime Minister, Mr Secretary Prescott, Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr Secretary Blunkett, Secretary Peter Hain and Alun Michael, presented a Bill to make provision about hunting wild mammals with dogs; to prohibit hare coursing; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 10].

    Ordered, That the Explanatory Notes relating to the Hunting Bill be printed [Bill 10-EN].

5    Communications Bill,-The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Communications Bill;

    And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time;

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word 'That' to the end of the Question and to add the words 'this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Communications Bill because it fails to ensure the representation of Wales and Scotland on the Office of Communications (OFCOM); does not address the needs of people with disabilities adequately; does not regulate sufficiently cross-media ownership; does not protect against a monopoly of ownership; fails to ensure access for all to digital broadcasting and broadband communications; and further weakens democratic scrutiny and regulation of industries which are vital to citizenship', instead thereof.-(Mr Simon Thomas.)

    And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Pete Wishart, Hywel Williams: 14.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Dan Norris: 329.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading):-It was agreed to.

    The Bill was accordingly read a second time.

6    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That at this day's sitting the Motion relating to Estimates, 2001-02, in the name of Ruth Kelly may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.

7    Communications Bill (Programme),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Orders [28th June 2001 and 29th October 2002], That the following provisions shall apply to the Communications Bill-

Committal

    (1) The Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee.

Proceedings in Standing Committee

    (2) Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on 6th February 2003.

    (3) The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets.

Consideration and Third Reading

    (4) Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced.

    (5) Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced.

    (6) Sessional Order B (programming committees) made on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and Third Reading.

Other proceedings

    (7) Any other proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments or on any further messages from the Lords) may be programmed-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Fraser Kemp, Dan Norris: 287.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Mark Hoban, Mrs Cheryl Gillan: 102.

    So the Question was agreed to.

8    Communications Bill [Money],-Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Communications Bill [Money];

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Communications Bill ("the Act"), it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of-

    (1) any expenditure incurred by the Secretary of State-

      (a) for or in connection with the carrying out of any of his functions under the Act; or

      (b) in the making of payments to OFCOM in respect of the establishment, installation or use by the Crown of stations or apparatus for wireless telegraphy; and

    (2) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums which are payable out of money so provided under any other Act-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.

9    Communications Bill [Ways and Means],-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Communications Bill ("the Act"), it is expedient to authorise-

    (1) provisions by virtue of which persons are or may be required to pay sums to the Office of Communications in respect of allocations of telephone numbers;

    (2) provisions by virtue of which holders of licences granted under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 or of grants of recognised spectrum access are or may be required to pay sums to the Office of Communications in connection with such licences or grants;

    (3) provisions by virtue of which holders of licences granted under the Broadcasting Act 1990 or the Broadcasting Act 1996 are or may be required to pay sums to the Office of Communications in connection with such licences;

    (4) provisions by virtue of which holders of television licences granted under the Act are or may be required to pay sums to the British Broadcasting Corporation;

    (5) provisions by virtue of which fees are chargeable under the Enterprise Act 2002;

    (6) any incidental charges to tax which may arise from amendments made by the Act to references to public telecommunication systems or telecommunication apparatus in enactments relating to income tax; and

    (7) the payment of sums into the Consolidated Fund-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.

10    Estimates, 2001-02,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That the limits on non-operating appropriations in aid set for the purposes of section 2 of the Government Resources and Accounts Act 2000 for the year that ended on 31st March 2002 be modified in accordance with House of Commons Paper No. 121-(Ruth Kelly);

    And the Deputy Speaker's opinion as to the decision of the Question being challenged, the Division was deferred till to-morrow, pursuant to Orders [28th June 2001 and 29th October 2002].

11    Local Government Finance,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 107) (House of Commons Paper No. 60) on Special Grant for Activities Undertaken by Beacon Councils, which was laid before this House on 14th November, be approved-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

12    Northern Ireland,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 21st November, be approved-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

13    Public Petitions,-Public Petitions from-

    (1) the citizens in and around Sutton Coldfield against the closure of the court house in Sutton Coldfield,

    (2) 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products, and

    (3) residents of Dumfries and Galloway against the closure of West Freugh Airfield,

    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

14    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Derek Twigg.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till nine minutes to Twelve o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.51 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    1    Employment Tribunals (Scotland),-Employment Tribunals (Enforcement of Orders in Other Jurisdictions) (Scotland) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2972), dated 2nd December 2002 [by Act] [Ms Secretary Hewitt].

    2    Income Tax,-General Commissioners and Special Commissioners (Jurisdiction and Procedure) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2976), dated 25th November 2002 [by Act] [Ms Rosie Winterton].

    3    Universities of Oxford and Cambridge,-Statute, dated 19th August 2002, made by the University of Cambridge, amending the Statutes of the University [by Act] [Mr Robin Cook].

Other Papers:

    4    National Audit,-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Ministry of Defence: The construction of nuclear submarine facilities at Devonport [by Act]; to be printed [No. 90] [Clerk of the House].

    5    Police,-Report of the Chief Surveillance Commissioner for 2001-02 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 68] [The Prime Minister].

    6    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Transport on the Petition [19th November] from the British Pensioners and Trade Union Action Association, Coventry Branch, for a free national travel pass scheme for pensioners in England [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

    7    Northern Ireland,-Proposal for a draft Strategic Investment and Regeneration of Sites (Northern Ireland) Order 2002, with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Murphy].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Draft Air quality (England)(Amendment) Regulations 2002,-The Speaker has appointed Mr James Cran Chairman of the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order in place of Mr George Stevenson.

    2    Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (Codes of Practice) (Statutory Powers to Stop and Search) Order 2002,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Alan Howarth and Alan Simpson from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Order) and nominated in substitution Mr Colin Pickthall and Sandra Osborne.

    3    Draft Environment (Northern Ireland) Order 2002,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Tony Clarke and Mr Martin Salter from the Eleventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order) and nominated in substitution Tony Cunningham and Mr Anthony D. Wright.

Grand Committees

    4    Scottish Grand Committee,-The Speaker has appointed Mrs Irene Adams Chairman of the Scottish Grand Committee in respect of its meeting on Tuesday 10th December.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Culture, Media and Sport,-First Report from the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [National Museums and Galleries: Funding and Free Admission], together with the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee in the last Session; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 85] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

    2    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Mid-Term Review of the CAP Sub-committee of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [Mid-Term Review of the CAP]; to be printed [No. 151-i] [Mr David Curry].

    3    Foreign Affairs,-First Report from the Foreign Affairs Committee [The Biological Weapons Green Paper], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 150] [Donald Anderson].

    4    Home Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [The Work of the Youth Justice Board], together with Appendices thereto; to be printed [No. 147-i] [Mr Chris Mullin].

    5    International Development,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [The humanitarian crisis in Southern Africa]; to be printed [No. 116-ii] [Tony Baldry].

    6    Statutory Instruments,-Third Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 96-iii] [Mr David Tredinnick].

    7    Trade and Industry,-(1) First Special Report from the Trade & Industry Committee [Government Response to the Sixth Report from the Committee, Session 2001-02, on Fuel Poverty]; to be printed [No. 152]; and

    (2)Minutes of Evidence taken before the Trade and Industry Committee [The Royal Mail]; to be printed [No. 145-i]

[Mr Martin O'Neill].

    8    Treasury,-First Special Report from the Treasury Committee [Government Observations on the Seventh Report from the Committee, Session 2001-02, on Parliamentary Accountability of Departments]; to be printed [No. 149] [Mr John McFall].

[W.H., No. 5]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Mr Fraser Kemp.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 1.57 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst
Deputy Speaker



 
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