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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 26th November 2002

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Regulatory Reform,-Mr Peter Pike reported from the Regulatory Reform Committee the following Resolutions:

    That a draft Order in the same terms as the proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Sugar Beet Research and Education) Order 2003, which was laid before this House on 16th October, in the last Session of Parliament, should be laid before the House

    That the proposal for the draft Regulatory Reform (Credit Unions) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 18th October, in the last Session of Parliament, should be amended before a draft Order is laid before the House.

2    First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr George Stevenson reported from the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Medical Act 1983 (Amendment) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-David Taylor reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Access to Justice Act 1999 (Solicitors' Practising Certificates) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr John McWilliam reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Northern Ireland) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

5    Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr David Amess reported from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Contracting Out (Functions in Relation to Applications for Patents) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

6    Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Edward O'Hara reported from the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Nitrate Vulnerable Zones (Additional Designations) (England) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2614).

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

7    Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill,-The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill;

    And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time;

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word 'That' to the end of the Question and add the words 'this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill because it is a centralising measure that will have the effect of undermining local democracy, it places too much power in the hands of the Secretary of State to determine the timing of each referendum in each region, it fails to protect the right of individual communities to determine the local government structure that suits them best, the arrangements for referenda are inadequate and insufficiently defined, it fails to recognise that unitary authorities are not an appropriate solution in all parts of the country, it fails to recognise the needs of rural areas and it is incapable of protecting long-established county councils', instead thereof.-(David Davis.)

    And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mrs Cheryl Gillan: 141.

      Tellers for the Noes, Dan Norris, Mr Phil Woolas: 389.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Phil Woolas, Dan Norris: 386.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mrs Cheryl Gillan: 134.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Bill was accordingly read a second time.

8    Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill (Programme),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Orders [28th June 2001 and 29th October 2002], That the following provisions shall apply to the Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill:

    Committal

    1. Clauses 1 to 4 of the Bill shall be committed to a Committee of the whole House.

    2. The remainder of the Bill shall be committed to a Standing Committee.

    Programming of proceedings

    3. All proceedings on the Bill (including any proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments or on any further message from the Lords) may be programmed.

    Proceedings

    4. Proceedings in Committee of the whole House shall be completed in one day.

    5.-(1) Proceedings in the Standing Committee shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion on Thursday 19th December 2002.

    (2) The Standing Committee shall have leave to sit twice on the first day on which it meets.

    6. When the provisions of the Bill considered, respectively, by the Committee of the whole House and by the Standing Committee, have been reported to the House, the Bill shall be proceeded with as if it had been reported as a whole to the House from the Standing Committee.

    Consideration and Third Reading

    7. Proceedings on consideration shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour before the moment of interruption on the day on which those proceedings are commenced.

    8. Proceedings on Third Reading shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion at the moment of interruption on the day on which proceedings on consideration are commenced.

    9. Sessional Order B (programming committees) made on 28th June 2001 shall not apply to proceedings on consideration and Third Reading-(Derek Twigg);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Phil Woolas, Dan Norris: 318.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Mr Laurence Robertson: 178.

    So the Question was agreed to.

9    Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill [Money],-Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill [Money];

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Bill:

    (1) there shall be charged on and paid out of the Consolidated Fund any sums required by the Electoral Commission to meet:

      (a) the charges payable to counting officers in connection with a referendum held about the establishment of an elected regional assembly; and

      (b) sums payable in respect of increases in superannuation contributions required to be paid by local authorities in consequence of fees paid as part of those charges;

    (2) there shall be paid out of money provided by Parliament:

      (a) any expenditure of a Minister of the Crown-

      (i) in connection with a referendum held about the establishment of an elected regional assembly;

      (ii) in making payments to the Electoral Commission;

      (iii) in paying grant in respect of the expenditure of regional chambers;

      (iv) in preparation for elected regional assemblies;

      (v) in connection with the transfer of any function to such an assembly;

      (b) any increase attributable to the Act in the sums so payable under any other enactment-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

10    Estimates,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 145 (Liaison Committee), That this House agrees with the Report [21st November] of the Liaison Committee-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

11    House of Lords Reform (Joint Committee),-Ordered, That the Lords Message [14th November] relating to House of Lords Reform be now considered.

    That this House concurs with the Lords in the said Resolution.

    That, in accordance with the Resolution of the House of 19th June in the last Session of Parliament, a Select Committee of twelve Members be appointed to join with a Committee to be appointed by the Lords, as the Joint Committee on House of Lords Reform, with the same terms of reference, powers and membership as in the last session and that the proceedings of the Joint Committee on House of Lords Reform in the last session of Parliament be referred to the Committee.-(Derek Twigg.)

    Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.

12    Industrial Organisation and Development,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Potato Industry Development Council (Amendment) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 23rd October, in the last Session of Parliament, be approved-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

13    Greenhouse Gas Emissions,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees), That this House takes note of European Union Document No. 14394/01, draft Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council establishing a scheme for greenhouse gas emission allowance trading within the Community and amending Council Directive 96/61/EC; and supports the Government's objective of establishing a flexible, market-based instrument across the European Union in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions towards meeting the United Kingdom's international obligations and domestic targets on climate change-(Derek Twigg):-It was agreed to.

14    Public Petitions,-Public Petitions from-

    (1) residents of East Hertfordshire, North and West Essex and the surrounding communities against the construction of further runways at Stansted Airport, and

    (2) 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products

    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

15    Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products was presented; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

16    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Derek Twigg.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till thirteen minutes past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.13 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    1    Education,-Financing of Maintained Schools (England) (Amendment No. 3) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2868), dated 15th November 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Clarke].

    2    Local Government,-Local Authorities (Discretionary Expenditure Limits) (England) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2878), dated 19th November 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

    3    Social Security,-Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment No. 4) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2924), dated 26th November 2002 [by Act] [Mr Paul Boateng].

    4    Social Security (Northern Ireland),-Social Security Benefit (Computation of Earnings) (Amendment) (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2925), dated 26th November 2002 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

    5    Tax Credits,-Tax Credits (Appeals) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2926), dated 26th November 2002 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

Other Papers:

    6    Immigration,-Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules [by Act]; to be printed [No. 104] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    7    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Health on the Petitions [17th October, 21st October, 22nd October [three Petitions], 23rd October, 24th October, 28th October [two Petitions], 30th October [two Petitions], 31st October [two Petitions], 4th November [three Petitions], 5th November [two Petitions] and 6th November, in the last Session of Parliament] from 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

    8    Terrorism,-Report on the operation in 2001 of the Terrorism Act 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Draft Access to Justice Act 1999 (Solicitors' Practising Certificates) Order 2002,-The Speaker has appointed David Taylor Chairman of the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order in place of Mr Peter Atkinson.

    2    Draft Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Northern Ireland) Order 2002,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Alistair Carmichael from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Lembit Ípik.

    3    Draft Contracting Out (Functions in Relation to Applications for Patents) Order 2002,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Frank Dobson from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Mr James Plaskitt.

    4    Nitrate Vulnerable Zones (Additional Designations) (England) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2614),-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Stephen Pound, Joyce Quin and Christine Russell from the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Mark Lazarowicz, Ian Lucas and Chris Ruane.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Culture, Media and Sport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [Tourism]; to be printed [No. 65-ii] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

    2    Home Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [Criminal Justice Bill]; to be printed [No. 83-ii] [Mr Chris Mullin].

    3    International Development,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [Afghanistan: the transition from humanitarian relief to reconstruction and development assistance]; to be printed [No. 84-iii] [Tony Baldry].

    4    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Urban Affairs Sub-Committee of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee [The Effectiveness of Government Regeneration Initiatives]; to be printed [No. 76-i] [Mr Clive Betts].

    5    Statutory Instruments,-Second Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 96-ii]; and

    (2) First Report from the Select Committee on Statutory Instruments; to be printed [No. 126-i]

    [Mr David Tredinnick].

    6    Trade and Industry,-(1) Second Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [The Use of Retentions in the UK Construction Industry], together with Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee, and Appendices thereto; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 127]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Trade with China and Taiwan; Radio spectrum management]; to be printed [Nos. 128-i and 129-i]

    [Mr Martin O'Neill].

    7    Transport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Committee [The Work of the Strategic Rail Authority]; to be printed [No. 125-i] [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    8    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [Bank of England November 2002 Inflation Report]; to be printed [No. 108-ii] [Mr John McFall].

[W.H., No. 2]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Mr David Lammy.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 1.59 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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