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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 20th November 2002

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Sessional Returns,-Ordered, That there be laid before this House Returns for Session 2001-02 of information and statistics relating to-

    (1) Business of the House;

    (2) Closure of Debate, Proposal of Question and Allocation of Time (including Programme Motions);

    (3) Sittings of the House;

    (4) Private Bills and Private Business;

    (5) Public Bills;

    (6) Delegated Legislation and Deregulation and Regulatory Reform Orders;

    (7) European Legislation, &c.;

    (8) Grand Committees;

    (9) Chairmen's Panel; and

    (10) Select Committees.-(The First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.)

2    Private Bills,-The Orders of 23rd October and 31st October relating to the Mersey Tunnels Bill and the London Development Agency Bill, suspended in the last Session of Parliament, being read;

    Mersey Tunnels Bill,-A Bill to amend provisions of the County of Merseyside Act 1980 relating to the levying, revision and application of tolls for use of the Mersey Tunnels and to amend that Act for other purposes, was read the first and second time and committed.

    London Development Agency Bill,-A Bill to confer powers upon the London Development Agency, was read the first, second and third time and passed.

3    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr James Cran reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Northern Ireland Act 1998 (Designation of Public Authorities) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    European Standing Committee B,-Miss Ann Widdecombe reported from European Standing Committee B the following Resolution:

    That the Committee takes note of European Union Document No. 12839/02, the Commission Strategy Paper and Report on progress towards accession by each of the candidate countries with Addenda 1 to 13, the 2002 Regular Reports on progress by individual candidate countries; welcomes the Government's continuing commitment to European Union enlargement; and supports the Government's aim that the European Union complete negotiations with ten candidates by the end of this year, so that they can participate in the European Parliament elections in 2004 as Member States.

    Report, together with Resolution, to lie upon the Table.

5    Queen's Speech (Motion for an Address),-The Order of the Day being read, for resuming the adjourned Debate on the Question proposed on 13th November, That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, as follows:

    Most Gracious Sovereign,

    We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Majesty for the Gracious Speech which Your Majesty has addressed to both Houses of Parliament;

    And the Question being again proposed:-The House resumed the adjourned Debate.

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, at the end, to add the words 'welcome measures in the Gracious Speech to improve criminal justice, despite the failure of the Government's previous 12 such Acts to deliver improvement; further welcome measures to reform the excessively bureaucratic legislation previously introduced to curb anti-social behaviour, and other measures, proposed by Her Majesty's Official Opposition, to protect the public from sex offenders; but deplore proposals within the European Arrest Warrant that could lead to the arrest of people in Britain for actions which are not crimes in Britain, or to the deportation of British people for trial in judicial systems where there is no presumption of innocence; will study with concern any proposals for the restriction of the "double jeopardy" rule, or the introduction of past convictions into court proceedings; and regret the failure of the Government to address the central issues of crime today, such as the lack of true neighbourhood policing, the falling rates of detection and the lack of a coherent strategy to lift young people off the conveyor belt to crime.'.-(Mr Oliver Letwin.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made;

    Mr David Maclean rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put;

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 152

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Joan Ryan: 372

    So the Question was negatived.

    Another Amendment was proposed to the Question, at the end, to add the words 'but humbly regret that the Gracious Speech distracts from sound policies which deal effectively with crime and its causes by proposing further untried quick fixes and measures which threaten civil liberties and the rights of defendants; believe that Government proposals for health and social care unfairly punish social services for Government failure, fail to provide proper democratically accountable decentralisation and create inequitable distinctions in funding between foundation hospitals and others; regret the lack of provision for free personal care for elderly and disabled people and the failure to tackle the pension crisis; note that the Government has failed to put the environment at the heart of its legislative agenda and address the crisis in the public transport system; note the 7 per cent. real terms reduction in funding per student by Government since 1997, and the failure to rule out top-up fees, allow the Welsh Assembly to operate its own student funding arrangements for Wales or re-open the Tomlinson Inquiry into A Level grade fixing; regret the continued failure of the Government to provide for a referendum on a fair voting system for the House of Commons; and regret the absence of the promised Bill to protect the Civil Service from politicisation and of Government measures to tackle the steep inequalities which continue to afflict the most disadvantaged members in society.'.-(Simon Hughes.)

    And the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 33 (Calling of Amendments at end of debate), That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Annette Brooke, Tom Brake: 55

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Joan Ryan: 319

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Joan Ryan: 295

      Tellers for the Noes, Tom Brake, Annette Brooke: 60

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Resolved, That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, as follows:

    Most Gracious Sovereign,

    We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Majesty for the Gracious Speech which Your Majesty has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.

    Address to be presented to Her Majesty by such Members of this House as are of Her Majesty's most honourable Privy Council or of Her Majesty's Household.

6    Police,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Functions of Traffic Wardens (Amendment) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 23rd October, in the last Session of Parliament, be approved-(Mr Nick Ainger):-It was agreed to.

7    Public Petition,-A Public Petition from 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

8    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Nick Ainger.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till nine minutes past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.09 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

    1    International Development,-Draft International Development Association (Thirteenth Replenishment) Order 2002 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Secretary Clare Short].

    2    Social Security,-Draft Jobseeker's Allowance (Amendment) Regulations 2002 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Smith].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    3    Animals,-(1) Pet Travel Scheme (Pilot Arrangements) (England) (Amendment) (No. 2) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2850), and

    (2) TSE (England) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2860)

    dated 18th November 2002 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

Other Papers:

    4    Air Force (Constitution),-(1) Amendment List 18 to Air Publication 1269A - The Royal Air Force Manual of Assessment of Medical Fitness, and

    (2) Order by Her Majesty amending Queen's Regulations for the Royal Air Force

    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Hoon].

    5    Freedom of Information,-Lord Chancellor's Codes of Practice issued under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 on-

    (1) the Discharge of Public Authorities Functions under Part 1 of the Act, and

    (2) the Management of Records under Section 46 of the Act

    [by Act] [Yvette Cooper].

    6    Police Reform,-The National Policing Plan for 2003-06 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    7    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Transport on the Petition [16th October] from residents of South East Essex and the surrounding areas against proposals for an airport at Cliffe [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

    8    Regulatory Impact Assessments,-List of Regulatory Impact Assessments for 1st January to 30th June 2002 [by Command] [Cm. 5675] [Mr Douglas Alexander].

    9    Resource Accounts, 2001-02,-Resource Accounts of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 9] [Ruth Kelly].

    10    Treaty Series (No. 49, 2002),-Exchange of Notes, done at Washington 18th June 2002, between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the United States of America terminating the Leased Bases Agreement of 27 March 1941 and related lease and other arrangements regarding the establishment, use, operation and defence of the United States bases on Bermuda [by Command] [Cm. 5683] [Mr Secretary Straw].

    11    Tribunals and Inquiries,-Report of the Council on Tribunals for 2001-02 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 14] [Ms Rosie Winterton].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Draft Medical Act 1983 (Amendment) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Jimmy Hood Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Sir Paul Beresford, Mr Keith Bradley, Mrs Patsy Calton, Mr Michael Clapham, Mrs Helen Clark, Geraint Davies, Jim Fitzpatrick, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Chris Grayling, Dr Evan Harris, Mr John Hutton, Mr David Kidney, John McDonnell, Mr David Tredinnick, Dr Rudi Vis and Claire Ward.

    2    Draft Access to Justice Act 1999 (Solicitors' Practising Certificates) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Peter Atkinson Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Annette Brooke, Ms Karen Buck, Mr John Burnett, Mr Nick Hawkins, Mr Lindsay Hoyle, Mr Jon Owen Jones, Mr Fraser Kemp, Mr David Lepper, Mr Ian Liddell-Grainger, Mr Gordon Marsden, Linda Perham, Mr Mohammad Sarwar, Andrew Selous, Mr Clive Soley, Angela Watkinson and Ms Rosie Winterton.

    3    Draft Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Northern Ireland) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr John McWilliam Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Roger Berry, Peter Bottomley, Richard Burden, Mr Alistair Carmichael, Mr David Clelland, Julia Drown, Shona McIsaac, Gillian Merron, Angela Smith, The Reverend Martin Smyth, Mr John Taylor, Mr Paul Truswell, Mr Bill Tynan, Mr Bill Wiggin, Mr David Wilshire and Mr Mike Wood.

    4    Draft Housing Support Services (Northern Ireland) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Alan Hurst Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Janet Anderson, Gregory Barker, Mr Desmond Browne, David Burnside, Mr Stephen Byers, Mr Alistair Carmichael, Mr Jim Cunningham, Mr Hilton Dawson, Mr Piara S. Khabra, Shona McIsaac, Gillian Merron, Mr Martin Salter, Geraldine Smith, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr John Taylor and Mr David Wilshire.

    5    Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 107) (House of Commons Paper No. 60) on Special Grant for Activities Undertaken by Beacon Councils:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Report to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Bill O'Brien Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Jon Cruddas, Mrs Claire Curtis-Thomas, Mr Edward Davey, Mr Nick Gibb, Linda Gilroy, Matthew Green, Stephen Hesford, Mr Kevan Jones, Mr Christopher Leslie, Andrew Mackinlay, Mr Austin Mitchell, Mr Denis Murphy, Bob Spink, Mr Desmond Swayne and Mr Phil Woolas.

    6    Draft Air Quality (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Regulations to the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr George Stevenson Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Ms Diane Abbott, Vera Baird, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Tam Dalyell, Sue Doughty, Mr Boris Johnson, Jim Knight, Alun Michael, Mr Andy Reed, Hugh Robertson, Mr Jonathan Sayeed, Mr Brian Sedgemore, Derek Twigg, Mr John Wilkinson, Tony Worthington and Richard Younger-Ross.

    7    Nitrate Vulnerable Zones (Additional Designations) (England) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2614):

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Edward O'Hara Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nick Ainger, Norman Baker, Mr David Chaytor, Mr Michael Connarty, Sue Doughty, Michael Fabricant, Jane Griffiths, Mr John Hayes, Mr Elliot Morley, Dr Andrew Murrison, Mr Stephen Pound, Joyce Quin, Mr Andy Reed, Hugh Robertson, Christine Russell and Paddy Tipping.

    8    Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Agreement on Trade, Development and Co-operation Between the European Community and its Member States and the Republic of South Africa) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr James Cran Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Tony Baldry, Mr David Cameron, Mr Ivor Caplin, Mr Tony Colman, Mrs Janet Dean, Jim Dowd, Mr Bill Etherington, Mrs Cheryl Gillan, Mrs Jackie Lawrence, Mr Denis MacShane, Mr Michael Moore, Mr Greg Pope, Angus Robertson, Mr Richard Spring, Dr Phyllis Starkey and Mr Shaun Woodward.

    9    Draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (South Africa) Order 2002 and the draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Taiwan) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Orders to the Ninth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr David Chidgey Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr John Burnett, Ann Clwyd, Mr Michael Jack, Mr Brian Jenkins, Norman Lamb, Mr Jim Marshall, Kali Mountford, Mr Chris Pond, Mr Gordon Prentice, Dawn Primarolo, Mr Mark Prisk, Christine Russell, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe, Mr Andrew Tyrie, Keith Vaz and Mr David Wilshire.

European Standing Committees

    10    European Union document No. 12530/02, relating to major accident hazards involving dangerous substances, has been referred to European Standing Committee A, together with European Union document No. 15275/01, already referred to the Committee on 26th June 2002.

    11    European Union document No. 11079/02, relating to mutual recognition of financial penalties, has been referred to European Standing Committee B.

    12    European Union document No. 8395/02 and the unnumbered Explanatory Memorandum dated 14th November 2002, submitted by the Lord Chancellor's Department and the Scottish Executive, both relating to jurisdiction and the recognition and enforcement of judgments in matrimonial matters and in matters of parental responsibility, have been referred to European Standing Committee B.

    13    European Union document No. 12228/02, relating to security of energy supply, has been referred to European Standing Committee C.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Defence,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [SDR New Chapter]; to be printed [No. 93-i] [Mr Bruce George].

    2    Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [Secondary Education: Diversity of Provision]; to be printed [No. 94-i] [Mr Barry Sheerman].

    3    Environmental Audit,-(1) First Report from the Environmental Audit Committee [Pesticides: The Voluntary Initiative], together with an Appendix to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee in the last Session; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 100]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The World Summit on Sustainable Development: From Rhetoric to Reality]; to be printed [No. 98-i]

    [Mr John Horam].

    4    European Scrutiny,-(1) First Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 63-i]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Convention on the Future of Europe]; to be printed [No. 103-i]

    [Mr Jimmy Hood].

    5    Northern Ireland Affairs,-(1) First Report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Impact in Northern Ireland of Cross-border Road Fuel Price Differentials: Three Years On], together with the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 105]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Control of Firearms in Northern Ireland and the Draft Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2002]; to be printed [No. 67-ii]

    [Mr Michael Mates].

    6    Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister: Housing, Planning, Local Government and the Regions Committee [Departmental Estimates and Annual Report 2002]; to be printed [No. 78-i] [Andrew Bennett].

    7    Science and Technology,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Science and Technology Committee [Towards a Non-Carbon Fuel Economy: Research, Development and Demonstration]; to be printed [No.55-ii] [Dr Ian Gibson].

    8    Scottish Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Scottish Affairs Committee [Futureskills Scotland]; to be printed [No. 101-i] [Mrs Irene Adams].

    9    Transport,-(1) First Special Report from the Transport Committee [Government and Office of Fair Trading Responses to the Seventeenth Report from the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee in Session 2001-02, on The Bus Industry]; to be printed [No. 97]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Multi Modal Studies]; to be printed [No. 38-i]

    [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    10    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee of the Treasury Committee [Royal Mint Annual Report 2001-02]; to be printed [No.106-i] [Mr John McFall].

    11    Work and Pensions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Work and Pensions Committee [The Future of UK Pensions]; to be printed [No. 92-i] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].


WESTMINSTER HALL


    Westminster Hall,-In pursuance of Standing Order No. 10(13), the Speaker has approved 27th February, 13th March, 3rd April, 15th May, 12th June and 3rd July 2003 as days when the business to be taken in Westminster Hall shall be debates on select committee reports chosen by the Liaison Committee.



 
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