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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 6th November 2002

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Regulatory Reform Committee,-Mr Peter Pike reported from the Regulatory Reform Committee the following Resolution:

    That the draft Regulatory Reform (Removal of 20 Member Limit in Partnerships etc.) Order 2002, which was laid before this House on 24th October 2002, should be approved.

    The Committee came to this Resolution without a Division.

2    Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Mike Hancock reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Road User Charging (Enforcement and Adjudication) (London) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 2313) and the Road User Charging (Charges and Penalty Charges) (London) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 2285).

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr David Amess reported from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Social and Environmental Guidance to the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Message from the Lords,-A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

    The Lords have amended their Standing Order No. 51 relating to the Joint Committee on Consolidation Bills by substituting for the reference to the Northern Ireland Act 1974 a reference to the Northern Ireland Act 2000.

5    Energy-saving Materials (Reduced Rate of VAT) Bill,-Julia Drown, supported by Dr Brian Iddon, Mr Paul Truswell, Tom Brake, Alan Simpson, Brian White, Vera Baird, Norman Lamb, Peter Bottomley, Mr Simon Thomas, Clive Efford and Joan Walley, presented a Bill to reduce the rate of Value Added Tax levied on the supply of energy-saving materials and the cost of their installation; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 206].

6    Single European Language,-Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to require the Secretary of State to make proposals to the European Council for the establishment of one language as the official language of the European Union; to provide for the development of a single European language; and to establish a date by which the language will become the official language of the United Kingdom: And that Mr Peter Viggers do prepare and bring it in.

7    Single European Language Bill,-Mr Peter Viggers accordingly presented a Bill to require the Secretary of State to make proposals to the European Council for the establishment of one language as the official language of the European Union; to provide for the development of a single European language; and to establish a date by which the language will become the official language of the United Kingdom: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 207].

8    Animal Health Bill (Programme) (No. 2),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Order [28th June 2001], That the following provisions shall apply to the Animal Health Bill for the purpose of supplementing the Order of 12th November 2001:

    Consideration of Lords Amendments

    1. Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion six hours after their commencement or at Ten o'clock, whichever is later.

    2. Those proceedings shall be taken in the order shown in the first column of the Table below and shall be brought to a conclusion (so far as not previously concluded) in accordance with the second column of that Table.

Amendments Time for conclusion
1 to 12 11/2 hours after commencement
13 and 45 31/2 hours after commencement
14 to 44 5 hours after commencement
46 to 74 6 hours after commencement or Ten o'clock, whichever is later

    Subsequent stages

    3.-(1) Any further Message from the Lords on the Bill shall be considered forthwith without any Question put.

    (2) The proceedings on any further Message from the Lords shall (so far as not previously concluded) be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement-(Mr Elliot Morley):-It was agreed to.

9    Animal Health Bill,-The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Animal Health Bill.

    Lords Amendment No. 1.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr Elliot Morley);

    And it being one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [this day].

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Charlotte Atkins, Mr Phil Woolas: 314.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 190.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour.

    An Amendment (a) was made to the Bill in lieu of Lords Amendment No. 1 disagreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 2 to 12 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 5, 7 and 11.

    Lords Amendment No. 13.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr Elliot Morley);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Derek Twigg: 283.

      Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Mark Francois: 178.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    And it being three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Deputy Speaker proceeded to put the Questions which he was required to put at that hour.

    Lords Amendment No. 45.

    The Question being put, That Amendments (a) and (b) be made to the Lords Amendment;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Ivor Caplin, Derek Twigg: 292.

      Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Mark Francois: 174.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges.

    Lords Amendment No. 14.

    An Amendment (a) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, in line 8, to leave out from the word 'warrant' to the end of line 16-(Mr Elliot Morley.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made;

    And it being five hours after commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Speaker put the Question:-It was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to.

    The Speaker then put the remaining Questions which he was required to put at that hour.

    Lords Amendment No. 22.

    An Amendment (a) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, in line 8, to leave out from the word 'warrant' to the end of line 16-(Mr Elliot Morley.)

    The Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Gillian Merron: 297.

      Tellers for the Noes, Chris Grayling, Mr Mark Francois: 172.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 35.

    An Amendment (a) was made to the Lords Amendment.

    The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 15 to 21, 23 to 34 and 36 to 44 were agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 46 was agreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 47.

    An Amendment (a) was proposed to the Lords Amendment, to leave out lines 12 to 29.-(Mr Elliot Morley.)

    The Question being put, That the Amendment be made.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Fitzpatrick, Gillian Merron: 286.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Mark Francois, Mr David Wilshire: 164.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    And it being more than six hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Lords Amendments, the Speaker put the Questions which he was required to put at that hour.

    The Lords Amendment, as amended, was agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges.

    Lords Amendment No. 65.

    An Amendment (a) was made to the Lords Amendment.

    The Lords Amendment, so amended, was agreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 48 to 64 and 66 to 74 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendment No. 49.

    Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendment No.13;

    That Mr Nick Ainger, Andrew George, Mr John Hayes, Mr Elliot Morley and Mr Andy Reed be members of the Committee;

    That Mr Elliot Morley be Chairman of the Committee;

    That Three be the Quorum of the Committee;

    That the Committee do withdraw immediately-(Mr Phil Woolas.)

10    Public Petitions,-Public Petitions from-

    (1) residents of Somerton and Frome and others against a pre-emptive war against Iraq;

    (2) residents of Taunton and others for the making available of all drugs to all patients on the basis of clinical need alone; and

    (3) 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products

    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

11    Animal Health Bill,-Mr Elliot Morley reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendment No. 13 to the Animal Health Bill, That it had drawn up the following Reason, which it had directed him to report to the House:

    The Commons disagree to Amendment No. 13 made by the Lords, for the following Reason:

    Because it would be inappropriate to terminate automatically a restriction on the movement of animals.

    Message to the Lords, to communicate the said Reason, together with the Bill and Amendments.

12    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Mr Phil Woolas.);

    The Deputy Speaker suspended the sitting until a message was received from the Lords, pursuant to Order [29th October].

13    Message from the Lords,-A Message was received from the Lords, as follows:

    The Lords do not insist on one of their Amendments to which this House has disagreed to the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill, but do propose an Amendment in lieu thereof; they agree to the Amendments made by this House to certain other Lords Amendments; they do not insist on certain other Amendments to which this House has disagreed; they agree to the Amendments proposed by this House in lieu of certain other Lords Amendments; and they agree to the Amendments proposed by this House to words restored to the Bill by this House's disagreement to certain other Lords Amendments.

    The Lords agree without Amendment to the Amendments proposed by this House in lieu of one of the Lords Amendments to the Enterprise Bill; they agree without Amendment to the Amendment made by this House to another Lords Amendment; and they do not insist on the remaining Lords Amendments.

14    Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill,-Lords Amendment in lieu of an Amendment to which the Commons have disagreed to the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill to be considered to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 208].

15    Adjournment,-The Question being again proposed, That this House do now adjourn;

    And the Question being put:-It was agreed to.

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till fifteen minutes to midnight, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.45 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

1    Insolvency,-Insolvency Practitioners (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2748), dated 5th November 2002 [by Act] [Ms Secretary Hewitt].

2    Road Traffic,-Motor Vehicles (EC Type Approval) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2743), dated 3rd November 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

Other Papers:

3    Environment,-The Environment Agency's Objectives and Contribution to Sustainable Development: Statutory Guidance [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

4    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-Response by HM Government with the Welsh Assembly Government to the Reports of the Foot and Mouth Disease Inquiries [by Command] [Cm. 5637] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

5    Environmental Audit,-Government Response to the Fourth Report of the Environmental Audit Committee, Session 2001-02, on Measuring the Quality of Life: The 2001 Sustainable Development Headline Indicators [by Command] [Cm. 5650] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

6    Political Parties, Elections and Referendums,-Report and Accounts of the Electoral Commission for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1292] [Clerk of the House].

7    Treaty Series (No. 46, 2002),-Convention, done at Amman on 22nd July 2001, between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan for the Avoidance of Double Taxation and the Prevention of Fiscal Evasion with respect to Taxes on Income and on Capital Gains [by Command] [Cm. 5648] [Mr Secretary Straw].

APPENDIX II

European Standing Committees

    European Union document No. 12817/02, relating to Trans-European Networks, has been referred to European Standing Committee A.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Defence,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [SDR New Chapter]; to be printed [No. 1232-ii] [Mr Bruce George].

    2    Education and Skills,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Education and Skills Committee [Qualifications and Curriculum Authority]; to be printed [No. 862-iii] [Mr Barry Sheerman].

    3    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-(1) Tenth Report from the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [The Role of DEFRA], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 991]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [The Water Framework Directive]; to be printed [No. 1237-iii]

    [Mr David Curry].

    4    European Scrutiny,-(1) Forty-first Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 152-xli];

    (2) Forty-second Report from the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 152-xlii];

    (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [scrutiny reserve breach]; to be printed; [No.1307-i]; and

    (4) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [scrutiny reserve breach]; to be printed; [No.1308-i]

    [Mr Jim Marshall].

    5    Northern Ireland Affairs,-Sixth Special Report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [Government Observations on the Fourth Report of the Committee, Session 2001-02, on The Financing of Terrorism in Northern Ireland]; to be printed [No. 1347] [Mr Michael Mates].

    6    Public Accounts,-(1) Sixty-seventh Report from the Committee of Public Accounts [Inland Revenue: Tax Credits]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 866];

    (2) Sixty-eighth Report from the Committee [Collection of fines and other financial penalties in the criminal justice system]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 999];

    (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Helping victims and witnesses: the work of Victim Support]; to be printed [No. 1343-i]

    [Mr Edward Leigh].

    7    Regulatory Reform,-(1) Fourteenth Report from the Regulatory Reform Committee [The draft Regulatory Reform (Removal of 20 Member Limit in Partnerships etc.) Order 2002]; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1303]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Proposal for the Regulatory Reform (Special Occasions Licensing) Order 2002]; to be printed [No. 1304]

    [Mr Peter L. Pike].

    8    Science and Technology,-(1) Eighth Report from the Science and Technology Committee [Short Term Research Contracts in Science and Engineering], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 1046];

    (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Short Term Research Contracts in Science and Engineering]; and

    (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Towards a Non-Carbon Fuel Economy: Research, Development and Demonstration]; to be printed [No. 1240-iii]

    [Dr Ian Gibson].

    9    Transport,-(1) Third Special Report from the Transport Committee [Government Response to the Fifth Report from the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee, on National Air Traffic Services' Finances]; to be printed [No. 1305]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Multi Modal Studies]; to be printed [No. 1306-i]

    [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    10    Work and Pensions,-Minutes of evidence taken before the Work and Pensions Committee [The Future of UK Pensions]; to be printed [No. 1302-i] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].

[W.H., No. 119]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

[pursuant to the Order of 20th November 2000]

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Joan Ryan.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till Tuesday 12th November.

[Adjourned at 1.59 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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