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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 23rd October 2002

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Selection,-The Order of the day being read, for resuming the adjourned Debate on the Question proposed [16th October], That Mr John Hayes be discharged from the Committee of Selection and Mr Peter Luff be added to the Committee;

    Ordered, That the Debate be resumed to-morrow.

2    Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr John Cummings reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Northern Ireland Act 1998 (Modification of Enactment) Order 2002.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Standing Committee on the Convention,-Frank Cook reported from the Standing Committee on the Convention, That it had considered the Third Report (24th July) and the Fourth Report (15th October) from the United Kingdom Representatives to the Convention on the Future of Europe.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Waste Management Licences,-Ordered, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to make further provision regarding waste management licences: And that Siobhain McDonagh, Mr Tony Banks, Caroline Flint, Laura Moffatt, Mr Barry Gardiner, Barbara Follett, Margaret Moran, Ms Oona King, Jeff Ennis, Mr Graham Allen, Martin Linton and Linda Perham do prepare and bring it in.

5    Waste Management Licences Bill,-Siobhain McDonagh accordingly presented a Bill to make further provision regarding waste management licences: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday 7th November and to be printed [Bill 196].

6    Opposition Day [19th allotted day-first part],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.

    Government Management of the National Lottery,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes that since its creation in 1994 by the last Conservative Government, the National Lottery has raised over £12 billion for good causes; believes that the principle that Lottery money should not be used to fund projects that are the responsibility of the Government has been undermined by the establishment of the New Opportunities Fund and that this has also significantly reduced the money available for original good causes; further notes that grants made to organisations like the National Coalition of Anti-Deportation Campaigns and the Communities Empowerment Network have destroyed public trust in the Lottery, with the result that ticket sales are falling rapidly; and calls upon the Government to take urgent action to restore public confidence and to return the Lottery to its original purpose of raising money to support deserving causes that command widespread public support-(Mr John Whittingdale);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'welcomes the fact that the Lottery has so far generated over £12 billion for investment in good causes and has brought much needed support for sport, the arts and heritage, charities, and organisations dealing with health, education and the environment; notes that the Lottery has created funds for projects to mark the new millennium; also notes that the typical constituency has received millions of pounds of Lottery funding, often transforming local communities and their economies; welcomes the contribution that Lottery funding has made throughout the United Kingdom; believes that Lottery players can have full confidence in the Lottery and in Lottery fund distribution; and welcomes the current review being undertaken by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to ensure that the Lottery continues to make the fullest possible contribution to the nation', instead thereof.-(Secretary Tessa Jowell.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    David Maclean rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put:-It was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Mark Francois: 138.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Phil Woolas, Mr Fraser Kemp: 391.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments):-It was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House welcomes the fact that the Lottery has so far generated over £12 billion for investment in good causes and has brought much needed support for sport, the arts and heritage, charities, and organisations dealing with health, education and the environment; notes that the Lottery has created funds for projects to mark the new millennium; also notes that the typical constituency has received millions of pounds of Lottery funding, often transforming local communities and their economies; welcomes the contribution that Lottery funding has made throughout the United Kingdom; believes that Lottery players can have full confidence in the Lottery and in Lottery fund distribution; and welcomes the current review being undertaken by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to ensure that the Lottery continues to make the fullest possible contribution to the nation.

7    Mersey Tunnels Bill (Suspension),-The Order of the day being read, for resuming the adjourned Debate on the Question proposed on 16th October, That the promoters of the Mersey Tunnels Bill shall have leave to suspend proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Private Bill Office not later than the day before the close of the present session and that all fees due up to that date have been paid;

    That on the fifth sitting day in the next session the bill shall be presented to the House by deposit in the Private Bill Office;

    That a declaration signed by the agent shall be annexed to the bill, stating that it is the same in every respect as the bill presented in this House in the present session;

    That on the next sitting day following presentation, the Clerk in the Private Bill Office shall lay the bill on the Table of the House;

    That in the next session the bill shall be deemed to have passed through every stage through which it has passed in the present session, and shall be recorded in the Journal of the House as having passed those stages;

    That no further fees shall be charged to such stages;

    That all petitions relating to the bill which stand referred to the committee on the bill, shall stand referred to the committee on the bill in the next session;

    That no petitioners shall be heard before the committee unless their petition has been presented within the time provided for petitioning or has been deposited pursuant to Private Business Standing Order 126(b);

    That, in relation to the bill, Private Business Standing Order 127 shall have effect as if the words "under Standing Order 126 (Reference to committee of petitions against bill)" were omitted.

    And the Question being again proposed:-The House resumed the adjourned Debate.

    And the Question being put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Joe Benton, Tony Cunningham: 164.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Andrew Miller, Stephen Hesford: 64.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That the promoters of the Mersey Tunnels Bill shall have leave to suspend proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Private Bill Office not later than the day before the close of the present session and that all fees due up to that date have been paid;

    That on the fifth sitting day in the next session the bill shall be presented to the House by deposit in the Private Bill Office;

    That a declaration signed by the agent shall be annexed to the bill, stating that it is the same in every respect as the bill presented in this House in the present session;

    That on the next sitting day following presentation, the Clerk in the Private Bill Office shall lay the bill on the Table of the House;

    That in the next session the bill shall be deemed to have passed through every stage through which it has passed in the present session, and shall be recorded in the Journal of the House as having passed those stages;

    That no further fees shall be charged to such stages;

    That all petitions relating to the bill which stand referred to the committee on the bill, shall stand referred to the committee on the bill in the next session;

    That no petitioners shall be heard before the committee unless their petition has been presented within the time provided for petitioning or has been deposited pursuant to Private Business Standing Order 126(b);

    That, in relation to the bill, Private Business Standing Order 127 shall have effect as if the words "under Standing Order 126 (Reference to committee of petitions against bill)" were omitted.

    To be communicated to the Lords, and their concurrence desired thereto.

8    Public Petitions,-Public Petitions from-

    (1) striking workers of Friction Dynamics, Caernarfon, for removal of the eight-week limit on protection for striking workers, and

    (2) 'Consumers for Health Choice' and others against restrictions on the availability of natural health products

    were presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

9    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Ivor Caplin.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till a quarter to Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 10.45 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

1    Industrial Organisations and Development,-Draft Potato Industry Development Council (Amendment) Order 2002 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

2    Police,-Draft Functions of Traffic Wardens (Amendment) Order 2002 [by Act], with an Explanatory Memorandum [by Command] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

3    Income Tax,-Venture Capital Trust (Exchange of Shares and Securities) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2661), dated 22nd October 2002 [by Act] [Mr Paul Boateng].

4    Road Traffic,-(1) Motor Cars (Driving Instruction) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2640), dated 20th October 2002; and

    (2) Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2641), dated 21st October 2002

    [by Act] [Mr Secretary Darling].

Other Papers:

5    Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions,-Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions (Pay and Allowances) Order 2002 [by Act] [Mr Robin Cook].

6    National Lottery,-Accounts of the Community Fund for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1188] [Clerk of the House].

7    Overseas Territories,-Overseas Territories (Zimbabwe) (Restrictive Measures) (Amendment) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2627), dated 22nd October 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].

8    Procedure,-Government Response to the Third Report from the Procedure Committee, Session 2001-02, on Parliamentary Questions [by Command] [Cm. 5628] [Mr Robin Cook].

9    Resource Accounts, 2001-02,-Resource Accounts of National Savings and Investments for 2001-02, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 1200] [Ruth Kelly].

10    Statutory Instruments (Notification),-Communications declaring that the undermentioned Statutory Instruments had come into operation before copies were laid before Parliament, and explaining why such copies had not been so laid before the Instruments came into operation:

    Northern Ireland Act 2000 (Modification) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2587), and

    Northern Ireland Act 2000 (Suspension of Devolved Government) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2574)

    [by Standing Order] [The Speaker].

11    Trade and Industry,-Department of Trade and Industry Minute, dated 23rd October 2002, concerning a proposed contingent liability consequent upon indemnification for Regional Committee members of the Consumer Council for Postal Services (Postwatch) [by Command] [Ms Secretary Hewitt].

12    Treaty Series (No. 60, 2001),-Fourth Supplementary List of Ratifications, Accessions, Withdrawals, etc., for 2001 [by Command] [Cm. 5635] [Mr Secretary Straw].

13    United Nations,-(1) Somalia (United Nations Sanctions) (Channel Islands) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2629), and

    (2) Somalia (United Nations Sanctions) (Isle of Man) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2630),

    dated 22nd October 2002 [by Act] [Yvette Cooper]; and

    (3) Somalia (United Nations Sanctions) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2628),

    (4) Somalia (United Nations Sanctions) (Overseas Territories) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2631),

    dated 22nd October 2002 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1    Draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (The United States of America) Order 2002 and the draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxes on Income) (Lithuania) Order 2002,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Eric Illsley Chairman of the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Orders.

2    Draft Data Protection (Processing of Sensitive Personal Data) (Elected Representatives) Order 2002,-The Speaker has appointed Mrs Marion Roe Chairman of the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order.

3    Draft Northern Ireland Act 1998 (Modification of Enactment) Order 2002,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Brian H. Donohoe, Dr Ian Gibson, Mr James Plaskitt and Mr Graham Stringer from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Order); and nominated in substitution Ann Coffey, Helen Jones, Mr John Lyons and Shona McIsaac.

4    Draft Maximum Number of Judges Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Roger Gale Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Norman Baker, Mr John Burnett, Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Mr Jonathan Djanogly, Mrs Louise Ellman, Mr Neil Gerrard, Dr Ian Gibson, Mr Nick Hawkins, Mr Doug Henderson, Mr Fraser Kemp, Mr Tony Lloyd, Mr Gordon Marsden, Mr Mark Prisk, Mr John Smith and Angela Watkinson.

5    Access to the Countryside (Provisional and Conclusive Maps) (England) Regulations 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 1710):

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Regulations to the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr George Stevenson Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr Nick Ainger, Gregory Barker, Sir Paul Beresford, Peter Bradley, Mr Parmjit Dhanda, Mr James Gray, Chris Grayling, Matthew Green, Ian Lucas, Mr Peter Mandelson, Alun Michael, Chris Ruane, Mr Dennis Skinner, Jon Trickett, Mr Robert N. Wareing and Mr Roger Williams.

6    Northern Ireland Act 2000 (Modification) Order 2002 (S.I., 2002, No. 2587) and the Northern Ireland Act 2000 (Suspension of Devolved Government) Order 2002 (S.I., 2000, No. 2574):

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Orders to the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Nigel Beard Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Peter Bottomley, Mr Desmond Browne, Jon Cruddas, Mr Quentin Davies, Huw Irranca-Davies, Helen Jackson, Mr John Lyons, Shona McIsaac, Mr Jim Murphy, Lembit Öpik, Mr Ian Pearson, Mr James Plaskitt, Jim Sheridan, Mr Hugo Swire, Mr David Trimble and Mr David Wilshire.

7    Draft Scottish Parliament (Elections etc.) Order 2002:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Miss Anne Begg Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee: Mr David Cameron, Mr Peter Duncan, Mr George Foulkes, Mr Eric Joyce, Mrs Jacqui Lait, Mr John MacDougall, Mrs Anne McGuire, Rosemary McKenna, Mr Jim Murphy, Sandra Osborne, John Robertson, Mr Laurence Robertson, Mr Ernie Ross, Mr Mohammad Sarwar, John Thurso and Pete Wishart.

European Standing Committees

8    European Union Document No. 10665/02, relating to sustainable use of pesticides, has been referred to European Standing Committee A.

9    European Union Document No. 10625/1/02, relating to sound financial management and fighting fraud, has been referred to European Standing Committee B.

Grand Committees

10    Northern Ireland Grand Committee,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Crispin Blunt and Mr John Hayes from the Northern Ireland Grand Committee and nominated in substitution Mr John Taylor and Mr David Wilshire.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Culture, Media and Sport,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee [National Museums]; to be printed [No. 1228-i] [Mr Gerald Kaufman].

    2    Environmental Audit,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environmental Audit Committee [Pesticides: The Voluntary Initiative]; to be printed [No. 1209-i] [Mr John Horam].

    3    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [The Water Framework Directive]; to be printed [No. 1237-i] [Mr David Curry].

    4    European Scrutiny,-(1) Thirty-ninth Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 152-xxxix];

    (2) Second Special Report from the Committee [Government Observations on the Thirtieth Report from the Committee, on European Scrutiny in the Commons]; to be printed [No. 1256]; and

    (3) Third Special Report from the Committee [Government Observations on the Thirty-third Report from the Committee, on Democracy and Accountability in the EU and the Role of National Parliaments]; to be printed [No. 1257]

    [Mr Jimmy Hood].

    5    Public Accounts,-Part of the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts [Royal Mint Trading Fund: 2001-02 Accounts]; to be printed [No. 1184-i] [Mr Alan Williams].

    6    Science and Technology,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Science and Technology Committee [Towards a Non-Carbon Fuel Economy: Research, Development and Demonstration]; to be printed [No. 1240-i] [Dr Ian Gibson].

    7    Transport,-(1) First Special Report from the Transport Committee [Government Response to the First Special Report from the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee, on The Attendance of a Minister from HM Treasury before the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Committee]; to be printed [No. 1241]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Urban Charging Schemes]; to be printed [No. 1258-i]

    [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    8    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-Committee of the Treasury Committee [Regional Spending]; to be printed [No. 1046-ii] [Mr John McFall].

    9    Work and Pensions,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Work and Pensions Committee [Social Security Advisory Committee]; to be printed [No. 1253-i] [Mr Archy Kirkwood].

[W.H., No. 113]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

[pursuant to the Order of 20th November 2000]

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the sitting be now adjourned-(Mr Nick Ainger);

    And it being Two o'clock, the sitting was adjourned without Question put, till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 2 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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