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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Monday 3rd December 2001

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Nigel Beard reported from the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Carriage by Air Acts (Implementation of the Montreal Convention 1999) Order 2001 and the draft Carriage by Air Acts (Application of Provisions) Order 2001.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

2    Opposition Day [6th allotted day],-It being an allotted day at the disposal of the Leader of the Opposition in pursuance of Standing Order No. 14 (Arrangement of public business), the House proceeded to consider Opposition business.

    The Government's Record on the Compilation and Dissemination of Information,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House condemns the repeated instances of inadequate or incomplete records of meetings and conversations involving Ministers since 1997; deplores the culture of secrecy and inefficiency evident in the Government's failure to answer Parliamentary Questions or correspondence adequately and promptly; deprecates the pursuit of cynical news management strategies in all Departments, but notably in the Department of Transport, Local Government and the Regions; and urges the Secretary of State for Transport, Local Government and the Regions to change his approach to informing this House and the public-(Mr Tim Collins);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'deplores the attempt by Her Majesty's Opposition to draw attention away from their lack of coherent policies on public service improvement; welcomes the Government's determination to uphold the highest standards of integrity and honesty in public life; acknowledges that the Government has been open about the standards Ministers, Civil Servants and Special Advisers are expected to uphold; welcomes the publication of the new Ministerial code including the requirements on greater transparency never seen before, attaching the highest importance to the prompt and efficient handling of Parliamentary Questions and correspondence; and commends the professionalism and integrity with which the Government continues to conduct departmental business in the best traditions of public service', instead thereof.-(Mrs Barbara Roche.)

    And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Randall, Mr Laurence Robertson: 157.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Ian Pearson, Mr Phil Woolas, 279.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Ian Pearson, Mr Phil Woolas: 263.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Randall, Mr Laurence Robertson: 160.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Deputy Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House deplores the attempt by Her Majesty's Opposition to draw attention away from their lack of coherent policies on public service improvement; welcomes the Government's determination to uphold the highest standards of integrity and honesty in public life; acknowledges that the Government has been open about the standards Ministers, Civil Servants and Special Advisers are expected to uphold; welcomes the publication of the new Ministerial code including the requirements on greater transparency never seen before, attaching the highest importance to the prompt and efficient handling of Parliamentary Questions and correspondence; and commends the professionalism and integrity with which the Government continues to conduct departmental business in the best traditions of public service.

    Funding of Public Services,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House notes that the Chancellor of the Exchequer's statement to the House of 27th November has been contradicted in whole or in part by the Secretary of State for Health, the Chairman of the Labour Party and Mr Derek Wanless; further notes that the Chancellor of the Exchequer refused to endorse the statement made to the House by the Prime Minister on 28th November; and condemns the total confusion over funding the public services which these contradictions have caused among users and providers of these services-(Mr Michael Howard);

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 2, to leave out from the word 'House' to the end of the Question and add the words 'welcomes the Pre-Budget Report with its emphasis on delivering high-quality public services accessible to all in society as part of the Government's wider agenda to match resources with modernisation to progress reform; particularly welcomes Mr Derek Wanless's interim report "Securing our Future Health: Taking a Long-Term View", the first comprehensive look at the long term funding needs of the Health Service; notes Mr Wanless's conclusion that there is no evidence that any alternative financing method to the UK's would deliver a given quality of healthcare more equitably and at a lower cost to the economy; and reaffirms its support as stated by the Prime Minister and the Chancellor for future increases in public funding and NHS reform to ensure a comprehensive high quality service available on the basis of clinical need and not ability to pay', instead thereof.-(Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer.)

    And the Question being put, That the original words stand part of the Question;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr John Randall, Mr Julian Brazier: 169.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe, Mr Nick Ainger: 297.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Question, That the proposed words be there added, being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31 (Questions on amendments);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe, Mr Nick Ainger: 292.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr John Randall: 167.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Speaker forthwith declared the Main Question, as amended, to be agreed to.

    Resolved, That this House welcomes the Pre-Budget Report with its emphasis on delivering high-quality public services accessible to all in society as part of the Government's wider agenda to match resources with modernisation to progress reform; particularly welcomes Mr Derek Wanless's interim report "Securing our Future Health: Taking a Long-Term View", the first comprehensive look at the long term funding needs of the Health Service; notes Mr Wanless's conclusion that there is no evidence that any alternative financing method to the UK's would deliver a given quality of healthcare more equitably and at a lower cost to the economy; and reaffirms its support as stated by the Prime Minister and the Chancellor for future increases in public funding and NHS reform to ensure a comprehensive high quality service available on the basis of clinical need and not ability to pay.

3    Land Registration Bill [Lords],-The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Land Registration Bill [Lords];

    And a Motion being made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 90 (Second reading committees), That the Bill be now read a second time:-It was agreed to.

    The Bill was accordingly read a second time and stood committed to a Standing Committee.

4    Land Registration Bill [Lords] [Ways and Means],-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Land Registration Bill [Lords], it is expedient to authorise the charging of fees in respect of dealings with the Land Registry-(Mr Fraser Kemp):-It was agreed to.

5    Land Registration Bill [Lords] [Money],-Her Majesty's Recommendation having been signified to the proposed Motion relating to Land Registration Bill [Lords] [Money];

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (Money and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills), That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Land Registration Bill [Lords], it is expedient to authorise the payment out of money provided by Parliament of any expenses of the Chief Land Registrar or the Lord Chancellor attributable to the Act-(Mr Fraser Kemp):-It was agreed to.

6    Security of Energy Supply,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 119 (European Standing Committees), That this House takes note of European Union documents nos. 5619/01, the Commission Green Paper, Towards a European Strategy for the Security of Energy Supply, and 7218/01, relating to common rules for the internal market in electricity and natural gas; and supports the Government's welcome of both these documents as the Green Paper provides analysis of the energy supply situation and the proposed Directive and Regulation would increase competition in the internal energy market and facilitate cross-border trading in electricity and thereby contribute to security of supply-(Mr Fraser Kemp):-It was agreed to.

7    Local Government,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft The Local Government Commission for England (Transfer of Functions) Order 2001, which was laid before this House on 14th November, be approved-(Mr Fraser Kemp):-It was agreed to.

8    Terrorism,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Terrorism Act 2000 (Enforcement of External Orders) Order 2001, which was laid before this House on 14th November, be approved-(Mr Fraser Kemp):-It was agreed to.

9    Adjournment (Christmas),-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 25 (Periodic adjournments), That this House, at its rising on Wednesday 19th December, do adjourn till Tuesday 8th January 2002-(Mr Fraser Kemp):-It was agreed to.

10    Education and Skills,-Ordered, That Bob Spink be discharged from the Education and Skills Committee and Mr Mark Simmonds be added to the Committee.-(Mr John McWilliam, on behalf of the Committee of Selection.)

11    Section 5 of the European Communities (Amendment) Act 1993,-Ordered, That, for the purposes of its approval under section 5 of the European Communities (Amendment) Act 1993, the Pre-Budget Report 2001 shall be treated as if it were an instrument subject to the provisions of Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation).-(Mr Fraser Kemp.)

12    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Fraser Kemp.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till one minute past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.01 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

1    Agriculture,-Pesticides (Maximum Residue Levels in Crops, Food and Feeding Stuffs) (England and Wales) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3834), dated 3rd December 2001 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

2    Animals,-(1) Fur Farming (Compensation Scheme) (England) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3853),

    (2) Import and Export Restrictions (Foot-and-Mouth Disease) (No. 13) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3861),

    dated 3rd December 2001, and

    (3) Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) (Amendment) (England) Regulation 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3830),

    dated 30th November 2001 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

3    Education,-(1) Birmingham (Aston and Nechells) Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3847),

    (2) Birmingham (Kitts Green and Shard End) Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3837),

    (3) East Basildon Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3836),

    (4) East Brighton Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3841),

    (5) Halifax Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3842),

    (6) Kingston upon Hull (Bransholme Area) Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3840),

    (7) Leigh Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3839),

    (8) North East Sheffield Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3843),

    (9) North Southwark Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3838),

    (10) Nottingham (Bulwell) Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3848),

    (11) Plymouth Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3844),

    (12) South Tyneside Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3846),

    (13) Thetford Education Action Zone (Extension and Variation) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3845),

dated 28th November 2001; and

    (14) Soundwell College, Bristol (Dissolution) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3833),

dated 29th November 2001 [by Act] [Secretary Estelle Morris].

4    Income Tax,-Taxes (Interest Rate) (Amendment No. 3) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3860), dated 3rd December 2001 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

5    Medicines,-Medicines (Sale or Supply) (Miscellaneous Provisions) Amendment Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3849), dated 29th November 2001 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Milburn].

6    Pesticides,-Plant Protection Products (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3814), dated 30th November 2001 [by Act] [Secretary Margaret Beckett].

7    Value Added Tax,-Value Added Tax (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 3828), dated 27th November 2001 [by Act] [Mr Paul Boateng].

Other Papers:

8    Controverted Elections (Fermanagh and South Tyrone, Election Petition),-Copy of the Shorthand Writer's Notes of the Election Court in which an election petition relating to the return of the Member for the Fermanagh and South Tyrone constituency was heard, together with a copy of the Order made by the Court [The Speaker].

9    Members' Interests,-Register of Members' Interests as at 26th November 2001 [pursuant to the Resolutions of 22nd May 1974, 28th June 1993 and 6th November 1995]; to be printed [No. 419] [Clerk of the House].

10    Mental Health,-Report of the Mental Health Act Commission for 1999-2001 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Milburn].

11    National Audit,-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on Joining Up to Improve Public Services [by Act]; to be printed [No. 383] [Clerk of the House].

12    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Transport, Local Government and the Regions on-

    (1) the Petition [13th November] from Mrs Jonete S. Coates and others in support of speed-reducing measures on the Tollerton Road in Huby, Yorkshire; and

    (2) the Petition [19th November] from "Residents Against Dibden Bay Port" opposing the choice of venue for the public inquiry into Associated British Ports' application to build a container terminal at Dibden Bay

[by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

13    Supply Estimates, 2001-02,-Winter Supplementary Estimates for 2001-02 for the Scotland Office [by Command] [Cm. 5313] [Mrs Secretary Liddell].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

1    Adoption and Children Bill,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Jimmy Hood an additional Chairman of the Special Standing Committee on the Bill.

2    Draft Carriage by Air Acts (Implementation of the Montreal Convention 1999) Order 2001 and the draft Carriage by Air Acts (Application of Provisions) Order 2001,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Ann Clwyd, Mr Neil Gerrard, Bridget Prentice and Ms Debra Shipley from the Seventh Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Orders); and nominated in substitution Ann Coffey, Linda Gilroy, Mr Kevin Hughes and Helen Jones.

3    Draft Driving Licences (Disqualification until Test Passed) (Prescribed Offence) Order 2001,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Jimmy Hood Chairman of the Eighth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order, in place of Mr Bill O'Brien.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Radioactive Waste Policy Sub-Committee of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee [Radioactive Waste Policy]; to be printed [No. 407-ii] [Mr David Curry].

    2    Human Rights,-Fifth Report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights [Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Bill: Further Report], together with Appendices; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 420] [Jean Corston].

    3    Public Accounts,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts [National Insurance Recording System (NIRS) 2: Contract Extension]; to be printed [No. 423-i] [Mr Edward Leigh].

    4    Scottish Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Scottish Affairs Committee [Job Creation Potential of the Modernised Forth, Clyde and Scottish Union Canal]; to be printed [No. 424-i] [Mrs Irene Adams].



 
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