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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 9th January 2001

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Kent County Council Bill [Lords],-Ordered, That the promoters of the Kent County Council Bill [Lords] may, notwithstanding anything in the Standing Orders or practice of this House, proceed with the Bill in the present Session; and the Petition for the Bill shall be deemed to have been deposited and all Standing Orders applicable to it shall be deemed to have been complied with;

    That, if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the present Session, a declaration signed by the agent shall be deposited in the Private Bill Office, stating that the Bill is the same in every respect as the Bill brought from the Lords in the last Session;

    That the Clerk in the Private Bill Office shall lay upon the Table of the House a certificate, that such a declaration has been deposited;

    That in the present Session the Bill shall be deemed to have passed through every stage through which it passed in the last Session, and shall be recorded in the Journal of the House as having passed those stages;

    That no further fees shall be charged to such stages.-(The Chairman of Ways and Means.)

    Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.

2    Medway Council Bill [Lords],-Ordered, That the promoters of the Medway Council Bill [Lords] may, notwithstanding anything in the Standing Orders or practice of this House, proceed with the Bill in the present Session; and the Petition for the Bill shall be deemed to have been deposited and all Standing Orders applicable to it shall be deemed to have been complied with;

    That, if the Bill is brought from the Lords in the present Session, a declaration signed by the agent shall be deposited in the Private Bill Office, stating that the Bill is the same in every respect as the Bill brought from the Lords in the last Session;

    That the Clerk in the Private Bill Office shall lay upon the Table of the House a certificate, that such a declaration has been deposited;

    That in the present Session the Bill shall be deemed to have passed through every stage through which it passed in the last Session, and shall be recorded in the Journal of the House as having passed those stages;

    That no further fees shall be charged to such stages.-(The Chairman of Ways and Means.)

    Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.

3    New Member sworn,-Eric Joyce, Esquire, Member for Falkirk West, was sworn.

4    Capital Allowances Bill,-Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer, supported by Mr Secretary Byers, Mr Andrew Smith, Dawn Primarolo, Mr Stephen Timms and Miss Melanie Johnson presented a Bill to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to capital allowances: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 10].

    Ordered, That the Explanatory Notes relating to the Bill be printed [Bill 10-EN].

5    Armed Forces Bill,-The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Armed Forces Bill;

    And a Motion being made, and the Question being proposed, That the Bill be now read a second time;

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, to leave out from the word 'That' to the end of the Question and add the words 'this House declines to give a Second Reading to the Armed Forces Bill, which neither consolidates the three existing Service Discipline Acts nor introduces a single tri-service Act; which fails to address the challenge to military combat effectiveness from the gathering tide of legislation following the incorporation of the European Convention on Human Rights into domestic law; which omits legal clarification of employment in the services of young people under the age of 18; which fails to provide a statutory basis for equality of access by servicemen and women to free and impartial tribunals and resources to achieve that; and which encourages a further creeping advance of litigation that will breed a cautious group of military leaders who may step back from courageous decisions for fear of being pursued through the courts', instead thereof. -(Mr Robert Key.)

    And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr James Gray, Mr Keith Simpson: 133.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 350.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 62 (Amendment on second or third reading);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 349.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Christopher Chope, Mr David Wilshire: 8.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Bill was accordingly read a second time.

6    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That, at this day's sitting, the Motions in the name of Mr Keith Bradley and Margaret Beckett relating to Armed Forces Bill, Tax Simplification (Joint Committee), Tax Simplification and Children's Commissioner for Wales Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour-(Mr Don Touhig);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Greg Pope, Mr Robert Ainsworth: 333.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Keith Simpson, Mr Peter Atkinson: 130.

    So the Question was agreed to.

7    Armed Forces Bill (Programme),-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the following provisions shall apply to the Armed Forces Bill:

Select Committee

    1. The Bill shall be committed to a Select Committee.

    2. The Select Committee shall report the Bill to the House on or before Thursday 15th March.-(Dr Lewis Moonie);

    And it being three-quarters of an hour after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion, the Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Order [7th November].

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Jim Dowd, Mr David Jamieson: 320.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Mr James Gray: 130.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That the following provisions shall apply to the Armed Forces Bill:

Select Committee

    1. The Bill shall be committed to a Select Committee.

    2. The Select Committee shall report the Bill to the House on or before Thursday 15th March.

8    Armed Forces Bill,-A Motion was made and the Question being proposed, That Rachel Squire, Mr John Spellar, Dr Lewis Moonie, Mr David Clelland, Mr Dave Watts, Ms Dari Taylor, Mr David Crausby, Mr Robert Key, Mr Quentin Davies, Mr John Randall and Mr Paul Keetch be members of the Select Committee on the Armed Forces Bill.

    That three be the quorum of the Committee.

    That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records.

    That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place-(Mr John Spellar);

Wednesday 10th January 2001

    An Amendment was proposed to the Question, in line 7, at the end, to add the words-

      'That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers, either to supply information which is not readily available or to elucidate matters of complexity relating to the provisions of the Armed Forces Bill'.-(Mr Bruce George.)

    And the Question being proposed, That the Amendment be made;

    Mr Keith Bradley rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Mike Hall, Mrs Anne McGuire: 177.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Randall, Mr James Gray: 72.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    And the Question, That the Amendment be made, being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Mike Hall: 187.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Christopher Chope: 9.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    And the Main Question, as amended, being put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Mike Hall: 174.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Wilshire, Mr Eric Forth: 20.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That Rachel Squire, Mr John Spellar, Dr Lewis Moonie, Mr David Clelland, Mr Dave Watts, Ms Dari Taylor, Mr David Crausby, Mr Robert Key, Mr Quentin Davies, Mr John Randall and Mr Paul Keetch be members of the Select Committee on the Armed Forces Bill.

    That three be the quorum of the Committee.

    That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records.

    That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place.

    That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers, either to supply information which is not readily available or to elucidate matters of complexity relating to the provisions of the Armed Forces Bill.

9    Electoral Commission,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, praying that Her Majesty will appoint as Electoral Commissioners:

    (1) Pamela Joan Gordon for the period of four years;

    (2) Sir Neil William David McIntosh KBE for the period of four years;

    (3) Johnathon Glyn Mathias for the period of five years;

    (4) Sukhminder Karamjit Singh CBE for the period of five years;

    (5) James Samuel Younger for the period of six years; and

    (6) Graham John Zellick for the period of five years;

    and that Her Majesty will appoint James Samuel Younger to be the chairman of the Electoral Commission for the period of six years-(Mr Mike O'Brien);

    And it being one and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion, the Deputy Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 16 (Proceedings under an Act or on European Community documents).

    And the Deputy Speaker's opinion as to the decision of the Question being challenged, the division was deferred till to-morrow, pursuant to Order [7th November].

10    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Don Touhig.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till nine minutes past Four o'clock on Wednesday morning, adjourned till this day.

[Adjourned at 4.09 a.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.


    APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    1    Education,-General Teaching Council for England (Registration of Teachers) (Amendment) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 23), dated 8th January 2001 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    2    Social Security,-Tax Credits Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 19), dated 8th January 2001 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

    3    Social Security (Northern Ireland),-Tax Credits Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendments) (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 20), dated 8th January 2001 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

    4    Terms and Conditions of Employment,-Employment Rights (Increase of Limits) Order 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 21), dated 8th January 2001 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Byers].

Other Papers:

    5    Education and Employment,-Department for Education and Employment minute, dated 9th January 2001, concerning a contingent liability in respect of individuals who were disadvantaged by serious flaws in the awarding of National Vocational Qualifications (NVQs) by Road Transport Industry Board Services Ltd, a training provider [by Command] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    6    National Audit,-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Sale of Part of the UK Gold Reserves [by Act]; to be printed [No. 86] [Clerk of the House].

    7    National Heritage,-(1) Accounts of the Board of Trustees of the Armouries for 1998-99, and

    (2) Accounts of the Board of Trustees of the Armouries for 1999-2000,

    with the Reports of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 105 and 106] [Clerk of the House].

    8    Public Petitions,-Observations by the Secretary of State for Social Security on the Petition [13th December] from the trustees of the Zacchaeus 2000 Trust and others for the collection of information on minimum required incomes for the purposes of deciding levels of taxation and benefits and for other purposes [by Standing Order]; to be printed [Clerk of the House].

    9    School Standards and Framework,-Account of the Bedford Education Action Zone for 1999-2000, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 108] [Clerk of the House].

    10    Science and Technology,-Accounts of the Natural Environment Research Council for 1999-2000, with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon [by Act]; to be printed [No. 107] [Clerk of the House].

    11    Sea Fisheries,-Report by the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food on the proceedings under section 6 of the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967, for 2000 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].

    12    Social Security Administration,-Account of Securities held for the National Insurance Fund as at 31st March 2000 [by Act] [Clerk of the House].

APPENDIX II

Reports from Select Committees

    13    Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Cemeteries]; to be printed [No. 91-i] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].

    14    International Development,-Part of the Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [Corruption]; to be printed [No. 39-ii] [Mr Bowen Wells].

    15    Trade and Industry,-First Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [The Work of the Committee in the 1997 Parliament], together with Annexes; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 109] [Mr Martin O'Neill].

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CORRIGENDUM

In the Votes and Proceedings for Wednesday 20th December, in Appendix III (Reports from Select Committees), item 2 (Education and Employment) should have House of Commons printing number 58-ii.

[W.H., No. 5]

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

[pursuant to the Order of 20th November 2000]

The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-( Mr Mike Hall.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 1.52 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst

Deputy Speaker



 
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