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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Monday 20th November 2000

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    Kent County Council Bill [Lords],-Mr Stephen McCabe reported from the Committee on the Kent County Council Bill [Lords] and the Medway Council Bill [Lords], That it had examined the allegations contained in the Preamble of the Bill and found the same to be true; and had gone through the Bill and made Amendments thereunto.

    Bill, as amended in the Committee, to lie upon the Table.

2    Medway Council Bill [Lords],-Mr Stephen McCabe reported from the Committee on the Kent County Council Bill [Lords] and the Medway Council Bill [Lords], That it had examined the allegations contained in the Preamble of the Bill and found the same to be true; and had gone through the Bill and made Amendments thereunto.

    Bill, as amended in the Committee, to lie upon the Table.

3    Kent County Council Bill [Lords] and Medway Council Bill [Lords],-Mr Stephen McCabe reported from the Committee on the Kent County Council Bill [Lords] and the Medway Council Bill [Lords], That it had agreed to a Special Report, which it had directed him to make to the House.

    Report, and so much of the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee as relates to the Report, to lie upon the Table; and to be printed [No. 992].

4    Alliance & Leicester plc Group Treasury (Transfer) Bill [Lords],-The Order for Second Reading of the Alliance & Leicester plc Group Treasury (Transfer) Bill [Lords] to-morrow was read and discharged.

5    Modernisation of the House of Commons,-Resolved, That this House approves the Third Report on Thursday Sittings (House of Commons Paper No. 954) and the Fourth Report on Sittings in Westminster Hall (House of Commons Paper No. 906) of the Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons.-(Margaret Beckett.)

6     Thursday Sittings and Meetings of Standing Committees,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That, from the next Session of Parliament until the end of the first Session of the next Parliament, the Standing Orders and practice of the House shall have effect subject to the modifications set out below:

    A. (1) The House shall meet on Thursdays at half-past Eleven o'clock, and will first proceed with private business, motions for unopposed returns and questions;

    (2) proceedings on business on Thursdays shall be interrupted at Seven o'clock; and

    (3) in their application to Thursday sittings of the House, reference to a specified time in the Standing Orders shall be interpreted as reference to a time three hours before the time so specified, save that reference to half-past Ten o'clock shall be substituted for reference to Twelve o'clock in Standing Order No. 24 (Adjournment on a specific and important matter that should have urgent consideration).

    B. Standing committees shall have leave to sit at any hour and notwithstanding any adjournment of the House, subject to the following provisions:

      (a) on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays when the House is sitting, no standing committee sitting at Westminster shall sit between the hours of One o'clock and half-past Three o'clock, except as provided in paragraph (2) of Standing Order No. 88 (Meetings of standing committees); and

      (b) on Thursdays when the House is sitting, no standing committees sitting at Westminster shall sit between the hours of twenty-five minutes past Eleven o'clock and half-past Twelve o'clock, except as provided in paragraph (2) of Standing Order No. 88 (Meetings of standing committees) with the substitution in that paragraph of 'twenty-five minutes past Eleven o'clock' for 'One o'clock' and 'twenty minutes to Twelve o'clock' for 'a quarter past One o'clock'-(Mr David Jamieson);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr David Jamieson: 275.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Maclean, Mr Eric Forth: 22.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That, from the next Session of Parliament until the end of the first Session of the next Parliament, the Standing Orders and practice of the House shall have effect subject to the modifications set out below:

    A. (1) The House shall meet on Thursdays at half-past Eleven o'clock, and will first proceed with private business, motions for unopposed returns and questions;

    (2) proceedings on business on Thursdays shall be interrupted at Seven o'clock; and

    (3) in their application to Thursday sittings of the House, reference to a specified time in the Standing Orders shall be interpreted as reference to a time three hours before the time so specified, save that reference to half-past Ten o'clock shall be substituted for reference to Twelve o'clock in Standing Order No. 24 (Adjournment on a specific and important matter that should have urgent consideration).

    B. Standing committees shall have leave to sit at any hour and notwithstanding any adjournment of the House, subject to the following provisions:

      (a) on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays when the House is sitting, no standing committee sitting at Westminster shall sit between the hours of One o'clock and half-past Three o'clock, except as provided in paragraph (2) of Standing Order No. 88 (Meetings of standing committees); and

      (b) on Thursdays when the House is sitting, no standing committees sitting at Westminster shall sit between the hours of twenty-five minutes past Eleven o'clock and half-past Twelve o'clock, except as provided in paragraph (2) of Standing Order No. 88 (Meetings of standing committees) with the substitution in that paragraph of 'twenty-five minutes past Eleven o'clock' for 'One o'clock' and 'twenty minutes to Twelve o'clock' for 'a quarter past One o'clock'.

7    Sittings in Westminster Hall,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That, from the next Session of Parliament until the end of the first Session of the next Parliament, the Standing Orders and practice of the House shall have effect subject to the modifications set out below:

    (1) On days on which the House shall sit after an address has been agreed to in answer to Her Majesty's Speech there shall be a sitting in Westminster Hall-

      (a) on Tuesdays and Wednesdays between half-past Nine o'clock and Two o'clock; and

      (b) on Thursdays beginning at half-past Two o'clock and continuing for up to three hours (and in calculating that period no account shall be taken of any period during which the sitting may be suspended owing to a division being called in the House or a Committee of the whole House).

    (2) Any Member of the House may take part in a sitting in Westminster Hall.

    (3) Subject to paragraph (13) below, the business taken at any sitting in Westminster Hall shall be such as the Chairman of Ways and Means shall appoint.

    (4) The Chairman of Ways and Means or a Deputy Chairman shall take the chair in Westminster Hall as Deputy Speaker; and the House may appoint not more than four other members of the Chairmen's Panel to sit in Westminster Hall as Deputy Speaker.

    (5) Any member of the Chairmen's Panel may also take the chair at a sitting in Westminster Hall when so requested by the Chairman of Ways and Means, with the duties and powers conferred on additional Deputy Speakers; and Members so appointed shall be addressed by name.

    (6) Any order made or resolution come to at a sitting in Westminster Hall (other than a resolution to adjourn) shall be reported to the House by the Deputy Speaker and shall be deemed to be an order or resolution of the House.

    (7) If a motion be made by a Minister of the Crown that an order of the day be proceeded with at a sitting in Westminster Hall, the question thereon shall be put forthwith, but such motion may be made only with the leave of the House and may not be made on a Friday.

    (8) The quorum at a sitting in Westminster Hall shall be three.

    (9) If at a sitting in Westminster Hall the opinion of the Deputy Speaker as to the decision of a question (other than a question for adjournment) is challenged, that question shall not be decided, and the Deputy Speaker shall report to the House accordingly; and any such question shall be put forthwith upon a motion being made in the House.

    (10) If any business other than a motion for adjournment is under consideration at a sitting in Westminster Hall, and not fewer than six Members rise in their places and signify their objection to further proceedings, that business shall not be further proceeded with in Westminster Hall, and the Deputy Speaker shall report to the House accordingly, and any order under paragraph (7) above relating thereto shall be discharged.

    (11) At the end of each sitting in Westminster Hall, unless a question for adjournment has previously been agreed to, the Deputy Speaker shall adjourn the sitting without putting any question; and proceedings on any business which has been entered upon but not disposed of shall lapse.

    (12) The provisions of Standing Orders No. 29 (Powers of chair to propose question), No. 36 (Closure of debate), No. 37 (Majority for closure or proposal of question), No. 38 (Procedure on divisions), No. 39 (Voting), No. 40 (Division unnecessarily claimed), No. 41 (Quorum), No. 43 (Disorderly conduct), No. 44 (Order in debate), No. 45 (Members suspended, &c., to withdraw from precincts), No. 45A (Suspension of salary of Members suspended) and No. 163 (Motions to sit in private) shall not apply to sittings in Westminster Hall.

    (13) In each Session, the Speaker shall appoint not more than six Thursdays on which the business to be taken in Westminster Hall should be debates on select committee reports chosen by the Liaison Committee.

    (14) The House shall meet on Wednesdays at half-past Two o'clock, and paragraphs (1) and (2) of Standing Order No. 9 (Sittings of the House) shall have effect on Wednesdays; and Standing Order No. 10 shall not have effect-(Paddy Tipping);

    An Amendment ((b)) was proposed to the Question, in line 17, to leave out the words 'Deputy Speaker', and to insert the word 'Chairman'.-(Mr Eric Forth.)

    And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Eric Forth, Mr David Maclean: 34.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr David Jamieson: 251.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Graham Allen, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 283.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Maclean, Mr Eric Forth: 18.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That, from the next Session of Parliament until the end of the first Session of the next Parliament, the Standing Orders and practice of the House shall have effect subject to the modifications set out below:

    (1) On days on which the House shall sit after an address has been agreed to in answer to Her Majesty's Speech there shall be a sitting in Westminster Hall-

      (a) on Tuesdays and Wednesdays between half-past Nine o'clock and Two o'clock; and

      (b) on Thursdays beginning at half-past Two o'clock and continuing for up to three hours (and in calculating that period no account shall be taken of any period during which the sitting may be suspended owing to a division being called in the House or a Committee of the whole House).

    (2) Any Member of the House may take part in a sitting in Westminster Hall.

    (3) Subject to paragraph (13) below, the business taken at any sitting in Westminster Hall shall be such as the Chairman of Ways and Means shall appoint.

    (4) The Chairman of Ways and Means or a Deputy Chairman shall take the chair in Westminster Hall as Deputy Speaker; and the House may appoint not more than four other members of the Chairmen's Panel to sit in Westminster Hall as Deputy Speaker.

    (5) Any member of the Chairmen's Panel may also take the chair at a sitting in Westminster Hall when so requested by the Chairman of Ways and Means, with the duties and powers conferred on additional Deputy Speakers; and Members so appointed shall be addressed by name.

    (6) Any order made or resolution come to at a sitting in Westminster Hall (other than a resolution to adjourn) shall be reported to the House by the Deputy Speaker and shall be deemed to be an order or resolution of the House.

    (7) If a motion be made by a Minister of the Crown that an order of the day be proceeded with at a sitting in Westminster Hall, the question thereon shall be put forthwith, but such motion may be made only with the leave of the House and may not be made on a Friday.

    (8) The quorum at a sitting in Westminster Hall shall be three.

    (9) If at a sitting in Westminster Hall the opinion of the Deputy Speaker as to the decision of a question (other than a question for adjournment) is challenged, that question shall not be decided, and the Deputy Speaker shall report to the House accordingly; and any such question shall be put forthwith upon a motion being made in the House.

    (10) If any business other than a motion for adjournment is under consideration at a sitting in Westminster Hall, and not fewer than six Members rise in their places and signify their objection to further proceedings, that business shall not be further proceeded with in Westminster Hall, and the Deputy Speaker shall report to the House accordingly, and any order under paragraph (7) above relating thereto shall be discharged.

    (11) At the end of each sitting in Westminster Hall, unless a question for adjournment has previously been agreed to, the Deputy Speaker shall adjourn the sitting without putting any question; and proceedings on any business which has been entered upon but not disposed of shall lapse.

    (12) The provisions of Standing Orders No. 29 (Powers of chair to propose question), No. 36 (Closure of debate), No. 37 (Majority for closure or proposal of question), No. 38 (Procedure on divisions), No. 39 (Voting), No. 40 (Division unnecessarily claimed), No. 41 (Quorum), No. 43 (Disorderly conduct), No. 44 (Order in debate), No. 45 (Members suspended, &c., to withdraw from precincts), No. 45A (Suspension of salary of Members suspended) and No. 163 (Motions to sit in private) shall not apply to sittings in Westminster Hall.

    (13) In each Session, the Speaker shall appoint not more than six Thursdays on which the business to be taken in Westminster Hall should be debates on select committee reports chosen by the Liaison Committee.

    (14) The House shall meet on Wednesdays at half-past Two o'clock, and paragraphs (1) and (2) of Standing Order No. 9 (Sittings of the House) shall have effect on Wednesdays; and Standing Order No. 10 shall not have effect.

8    Immigration Appeals,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That the Immigration Appeals (Family Visitor) (No. 2) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 2446), dated 11th September 2000, a copy of which was laid before this House on 13th September, be revoked-(Mr Simon Hughes);

    And it being Ten o'clock, the Debate stood adjourned.

9    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business), That, at this day's sitting, the Motion relating to the Immigration Appeals (Family Visitor) (No. 2) Regulations 2000 may be proceeded with, though opposed, until half-past Eleven o'clock-(Mr Mike Hall):-It was agreed to.

10    Immigration Appeals,-The Question being again proposed, That the Immigration Appeals (Family Visitor) (No. 2) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 2446), dated 11th September 2000, a copy of which was laid before this House on 13th September, be revoked;

    Question put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Tom Brake, Mr Donald Gorrie: 62.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr David Clelland, Mrs Anne McGuire: 238.

    So the Question was negatived.

11    Companies,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Companies Act 1985 (Electronic Communications) Order 2000, which was laid before this House on 23rd October, be approved-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.

12    Broadcasting,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Broadcasting (Limit on the Holding of Licences to Provide Television Multiplex Services) Order 2000, which was laid before this House on 1st November, be approved-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.

13    Social Security,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 118 (Standing Committees on Delegated Legislation), That the draft Social Security (Incapacity Benefit) Miscellaneous Amendments Regulations 2000, which were laid before this House on 6th November, be approved-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe):-It was agreed to.

14    European Scrutiny,-Ordered, That Mr Owen Paterson be discharged from the European Scrutiny Committee and Miss Anne McIntosh be added to the Committee.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)

15    Northern Ireland Grand Committee,-Ordered, That-

    (1) the matter of the Review of the future of the juvenile justice centre estate in Northern Ireland, published by the Northern Ireland Office in March 2000, being a matter exclusively relating to Northern Ireland, be referred to the Northern Ireland Grand Committee;

    (2) the Committee shall meet at Westminster on Wednesday 29th November at 5.00 p.m.; and

    (3) at that meeting the Committee shall consider the matter referred to it in paragraph (1) and the Chairman shall interrupt proceedings at 7.30 p.m.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)

16    Adjournment,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House do now adjourn-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe);

Tuesday 21st November 2000

    And the Motion having been made after Ten o'clock on Monday evening, and the Debate having continued for half an hour, the Deputy Speaker adjourned the House without Question put, pursuant to the Standing Order, it being then twelve minutes past Twelve o'clock on Tuesday morning, till this day.

[Adjourned at 12.12 a.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.


    APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Affirmative Resolution:

    1    Environmental Protection,-Draft Producer Responsibility Obligations (Packaging Waste) (Amendment) (England and Wales) Regulations 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Prescott].

    2    European Communities,-Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Agreement between the European Community and its Member States and the Swiss Confederation on the Free Movement of Persons) Order 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Straw].

    3    Local Government Finance,-(1) Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 70) on Threshold Payments, and

    (2) Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 71) on Leadership Group Payments

    [by Act]; to be printed [Nos. 963 and 964] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    4    Education,-Education (Grants for Disabled Postgraduate Students) Regulations 2000 (Amendment) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 3087), dated 20th November 2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Blunkett].

    5    Pensions,-Pension Sharing (Excepted Schemes) Order 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 3088), dated 20th November 2000 [by Act] [Margaret Beckett].

Other Papers:

    6    National Audit,-Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on Ministry of Defence: Major Projects Report 2000 [by Act]; to be printed [No. 970] [Clerk of the House].

    7    Treaty Series (No. 126, 2000),-South Pacific Nuclear Free Zone Treaty, done at Rarotonga on 6th August 1985, with Protocols 1, 2 and 3, done at Suva on 8th August 1986 [by Command] [Cm. 4924] [Mr Secretary Cook].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Cross-Border Public Authorities) (Adaption of Functions etc.) (No. 2) Order 2000, the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Transfer of Functions to the Scottish Ministers etc.) (No. 2) Order 2000 and the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modifications of Schedule 5) Order 2000,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr Jim Murphy and Ms Sandra Osborne from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the draft Orders); and nominated in substitution Mr Ernie Ross and Mr Frank Roy.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Public Accounts,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts [Parole]; to be printed [No. 993-i] [Mr David Davis].

    2    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [2000 Pre-Budget Report]; to be printed [No. 988-ii] [Mr Giles Radice].



 
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