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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Wednesday 15th November 2000

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords],-Ordered, That the promoters of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords] shall have leave to suspend proceedings thereon in order to proceed with it, if they think fit, in the next session of Parliament, provided that notice of their intention to do so is lodged in the Private Bill Office not later than the day before the close of the present session and that all fees due up to that date have been paid;

    That, if the bill is brought from the Lords in the next session, a declaration signed by the agent shall be deposited in the Private Bill Office, stating that the bill is the same in every respect as the bill brought from the Lords in the present session;

    That the Clerk in the Private Bill Office shall lay upon the Table of the House a certificate, that such a declaration has been deposited;

    That in the next session the bill shall be deemed to have passed through every stage through which it has passed in the present session, and shall be recorded in the Journal of the House as having passed those stages;

    That no further fees shall be charged to such stages.-(The First Deputy Chairman of Ways and Means.)

    Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.

2    Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Roger Gale reported from the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Broadcasting (Limit on the Holding of Licences to Provide Television Multiplex Services) Order 2000.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

3    Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Sir David Madel reported from the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the draft Terrorism Act 2000 (Video Recording of Interviews) Order 2000.

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

4    Message from the Lords,-A Message was brought from the Lords, as follows:

    The Lords have agreed to the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill, with Amendments, to which the Lords desire the concurrence of this House.

5    Police (Northern Ireland) Bill,-Lords Amendments to the Police (Northern Ireland) Bill to be considered to-morrow and to be printed [Bill 183].

6    City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords],-The Order for Third Reading of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords] on Tuesday 21st November was read and discharged.

7    Genetically Modified Food and Producer Liability (No. 2),-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to make further provision with respect to the safety of and liability for the deliberate release or marketing of genetically modified organisms and genetically modified food; to establish a genetically modified organism compensation fund; and for connected purposes-(Mr Alan Simpson);

    And the Motion being opposed, after a brief explanatory statement from the Member who made the Motion and from a Member who opposed it, the Speaker put the Question, pursuant to Standing Order No. 23 (Motions for leave to bring in bills and nomination of select committees at commencement of public business).

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Huw Edwards, Miss Anne McIntosh: 97.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mrs Anne Campbell, Mr Nigel Beard: 30.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That Mr Alan Simpson, Alice Mahon, Norman Baker, Miss Anne McIntosh, Mr Tony Benn, Mr David Drew, Mrs Ann Cryer, Mr Llew Smith, Maria Fyfe, Mr John McDonnell, Mr David Chaytor and Mr Robert Marshall-Andrews do prepare and bring in the Bill.

8    Genetically Modified Food and Producer Liability (No. 2) Bill,-Mr Alan Simpson accordingly presented a Bill to make further provision with respect to the safety of and liability for the deliberate release or marketing of genetically modified organisms and genetically modified food; to establish a genetically modified organism compensation fund; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the first time; and ordered to be read a second time on Friday 24th November and to be printed [Bill 184].

9     Transport Bill [Ways and Means] (No. 3),-Resolved, That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Transport Bill, it is expedient to authorise:

    (1) the imposition of charges in respect of the execution of works in a highway, and

    (2) the charging of fees in connection with driver training courses.-(Mr Keith Hill.)

10    Transport Bill (Supplemental Programme),-Ordered, That the Order of the House [9th May] be supplemented as follows:-

Lords Amendments

    1.-(1) Proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments to the Bill shall be completed at today's sitting.

    (2) If not previously concluded, the proceedings shall be brought to a conclusion at midnight.

    (3) The Lords Amendments shall be considered in the following order-

      Nos. 27 to 29, 31, 1 to 26, 30 and 32 to 235.

    (4) Each part of the proceedings shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at the time specified in relation to that part of the proceedings in this Table.

TABLE

ProceedingsTime for conclusion of proceedings
Lords Amendments Nos. 27 to 29Three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion in the name of Mr Stephen Timms relating to the Transport Bill [Ways and Means] (No. 3)
Lords Amendment No. 31 Four and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on that Motion
Remaining Lords Amendments Six and a quarter hours after the commencement of proceedings on that Motion.

    2.-(1) This paragraph applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with paragraph 1.

    (2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any question which has been proposed from the chair and not yet decided.

    (3) If that question is for the amendment of a Lords Amendment, the Speaker shall then put forthwith-

      (a) a single question on any further amendments of the Lords Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown, and

      (b) the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown that this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment or (as the case may be) in their Amendment as amended.

    (4) The Speaker shall put forthwith-

      (a) a single question on any amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown to a Lords Amendment, and

      (b) the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown that this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in the Amendment or (as the case may be) in their Amendment as amended.

    (5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown that this House disagrees with the Lords in a Lords Amendment.

    (6) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question that this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Amendments.

    (7) As soon as the House has-

      (a) agreed or disagreed with the Lords in any of their Amendments, or

      (b) disposed of an Amendment relevant to a Lords Amendment which has been disagreed to,

    the Speaker shall put forthwith a single question on any amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown relevant to the Lords Amendment.

Subsequent stages

    3.-(1) The Speaker shall put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the consideration forthwith of any further message from the Lords on the Bill.

    (2) The proceedings on any further message from the Lords shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion one hour after their commencement.

    4.-(1) This paragraph applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with paragraph 3.

    (2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any question which has been proposed from the chair and not yet decided.

    (3) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown which is related to the question already proposed from the chair.

    (4) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown on or relevant to any of the remaining items in the Lords message.

    (5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question that this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords proposals.

Reasons Committee

    5. The Speaker shall put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the appointment, nomination and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons and the appointment of its chairman.

    6.-(1) The Committee shall report before the conclusion of the sitting at which it is appointed.

    (2) Proceedings in the Committee shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion 30 minutes after their commencement.

    (3) For the purpose of bringing any proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with sub-paragraph (2), the chairman shall-

      (a) first put forthwith any question which has been proposed from the chair and not yet decided, and

      (b) then put forthwith successively questions on motions which may be made by a Minister of the Crown for assigning a Reason for disagreeing with the Lords in any of their Amendments.

    (4) The proceedings of the Committee shall be reported without any further questions being put.

Miscellaneous

    7. The following paragraphs apply to-

      (a) proceedings on Consideration of Lords Amendments to the Bill.

      (b) proceedings on any further message from the Lords on the Bill, and

      (c) proceedings on the appointment, nomination and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons (and the appointment of its chairman) and the report of the Committee.

    8. Standing Order No. 15(1) (Exempted business) shall apply to the proceedings.

    9. The proceedings shall not be interrupted under any Standing Order relating to the sittings of the House.

    10.-(1) If on a day on which any of the proceedings take place a motion for the adjournment of the House under Standing Order No. 24 (emergency debates) would stand over to Seven o'clock-

      (a) that motion stands over until the conclusion of any of the proceedings which are to be brought to a conclusion at or before that time, and

      (b) the bringing to a conclusion of any of the proceedings which are to be brought to a conclusion after that time is postponed for a period of time equal to the duration of the proceedings on that motion.

    (2) If a motion for the adjournment of the House under Standing Order No. 24 stands over from an earlier day to such a day, the bringing to a conclusion of any of the proceedings on that day is postponed for a period of time equal to the duration of the proceedings on that motion.

    11. No dilatory motion with respect to, or in the course of, the proceedings shall be made except by a Minister of the Crown; and the question on any such motion made by a Minister of the Crown shall be put forthwith.

    12. If the House is adjourned, or the sitting is suspended, before the expiry of the period at the end of which any of the proceedings are to be brought to a conclusion, no notice is required of a motion made at the next sitting by a Minister of the Crown for varying or supplementing the provisions of this order.-(Mr Keith Hill.)

11    Transport Bill,-The House, according to Order, proceeded to consider the Lords Amendments to the Transport Bill.

    Lords Amendment No. 27.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr Nick Raynsford);

    And it being three and a half hours after the commencement of proceedings on the Motion relating to Transport Bill [Ways and Means] (No. 3), the Speaker, pursuant to Order [this day], put the Question already proposed from the Chair.

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Mike Hall: 321.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Peter Luff, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 228.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    The Speaker then put the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that hour.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 28 and 29 were disagreed to.

    Lords Amendment No. 31.

    A Motion was made, and the Question being put, That this House disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment-(Mr Nick Raynsford);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Anne McGuire, Jim Dowd: 337.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr John Randall, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: 203.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    The Lords Amendment was accordingly disagreed to.

    Lords Amendments Nos. 1 to 26, 30, and 32 to 235 were agreed to, the Commons being willing to waive their privileges in respect of Lords Amendments Nos. 81, 86, 112 to 114, 120, 125, 170 to 183 and 194.

    Ordered, That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their Amendments Nos. 27, 28, 29 and 31;

    That Mr Robert Ainsworth, Mr Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Mr Phil Hope, Mr Nick Raynford and Mr Robert Syms be members of the Committee;

    That Mr Nick Raynsford be the Chairman of the Committee;

    That three be the quorum of the Committee;

    That the Committee do withdraw immediately.-(Mr Robert Ainsworth.)

12    Transport Bill,-Mr Nick Raynsford reported from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their Amendments to the Transport Bill, That it had drawn up the following Reasons, which it had directed him to report to the House:

    The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment Nos. 27, 28 and 29 for the following Reason:-

      Because the effect of the Amendments would be to delay unjustifiably the setting up of a public-private partnership in respect of air traffic services.

    The Commons disagree to Lords Amendment No. 31 for the following Reason:-

      Because all necessary protections in respect of pensions arising by virtue of employment with National Air Traffic Services Limited, or any subsidiary of that company, can be put in place without this Amendment.

    The Reasons were agreed to.

    Message to the Lords to communicate the said Reasons, with the Bill.

13    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Robert Ainsworth.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till half-past Ten o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 10.30 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Eleven o'clock.


    APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

    1    Local Government Finance,-Statement of Guarantee given by the Treasury on 13th November 2000 in respect of temporary borrowing by the Audit Commission from Lloyds Bank plc [by Act] [Mr Stephen Timms].

    2    Public Accounts,-Treasury Minute on the Twenty-seventh and the Twenty-ninth to the Thirty-seventh Reports from the Committee of Public Accounts, Session 1999-2000 [by Command] [Cm. 4901] [Mr Stephen Timms].

    APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Draft EUTELSAT (Immunities and Privileges) (Amendment) Order 2000:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Order to the First Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr John Cummings Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr John Battle, Sir Paul Beresford, Mr Peter Bradley, Mr Iain Coleman, Mr Tony Colman, Mr Stephen Day, Mr Mike Gapes, Mr Neil Gerrard, Mr Paul Keetch, Rosemary McKenna, Mr Tony McNulty, Mr Mark Oaten, Mr Kerry Pollard, Mr Richard Spring, Mr Gareth Thomas (Clwyd West) and Mr Andrew Tyrie.

    2    Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Cross-Border Public Authorities) (Adaption of Functions etc.) (No. 2) Order 2000, the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Transfer of Functions to the Scottish Ministers etc.) (No. 2) Order 2000 and the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modifications of Schedule 5) Order 2000:

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the draft Orders to the Second Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Eric Illsley Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Mr Peter Atkinson, Mr Crispin Blunt, Mr Tom Clarke, Mr Tam Dalyell, Mr Ian Davidson, Mr Brian H. Donohoe, Mr Christopher Fraser, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Mrs Anne McGuire, Mr Michael Moore, Mr Jim Murphy, Ms Sandra Osborne, Sir Robert Smith, Dr Gavin Strang, Mr Brian Wilson and Mr Tony Worthington.

    3    Local Government Finance (England) Special Grant Report (No. 69) on Children's Services (Quality Protects) Special Grants for 1999-2000 and 2000-2001 (House of Commons Paper No. 968):

    (1) The Speaker has allocated the Report to the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, and has appointed Mr Bowen Wells Chairman; and

    (2) the Committee of Selection has nominated sixteen Members to serve on the Committee, viz.: Dr Peter Brand, Mr John Cryer, Dr Jack Cunningham, Maria Eagle, Barbara Follett, Mr Fabian Hamilton, Mr Philip Hammond, Mr John Hutton, Mr Robert Jackson, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Edward Leigh, Mr Tony Lloyd, Mr Peter Luff, Mr Geoffrey Robinson, Mr Adrian Sanders and Mr Gerry Steinberg.

    4    Draft Double Taxation Relief (Shipping Transport) (Hong Kong) Order 2000 and the draft Double Taxation Relief (Taxation on Income) (Norway) Order 2000,-The Speaker has appointed Mr Mike Hancock Chairman of the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (in respect of the draft Orders).

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Agriculture,-(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Agriculture Committee [Badgers and Bovine Tuberculosis: Follow-up]; to be printed [No. 986-i]; and

    (2) Memoranda laid before the Committee [Badgers and Bovine Tuberculosis: Follow-up; Forestry Commission]

    [Mr David Curry].

    2    Defence,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Defence Committee [Armed Forces Personnel Issues]; to be printed [No. 689-v] [Mr Bruce George].

    3    Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,-(1) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Inland Waterways]; to be printed [No. 947-ii]; and

    (2) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Transport Sub-Committee of the Committee [Rail Investment: Renewal, Maintenance and Development of the National Rail Network]; to be printed [No. 671-iii]

    [Mrs Gwyneth Dunwoody].

    4    European Scrutiny,-Twenty-Ninth Report from the European Scrutiny Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 23-xxix] [Mr Jimmy Hood].

    5    Northern Ireland Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee [The Parades Commission]; to be printed [No. 463-ii] [Mr Peter Brooke].

    6    Procedure,-(1) Second Special Report from the Procedure Committee [Government Response to the Second Report from the Committee, on Parliamentary Scrutiny of Treaties]; to be printed [No. 990];

    (2) Third Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Fourth Report from the Committee, on Letters Sent by Ministers following Undertakings in Debate]; to be printed [No. 991]; and

    (3) Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Section 82 of the Welfare Reform and Pensions Act 1999]; to be printed [No. 987-i]

    [Mr Nicholas Winterton].

    7    Public Accounts,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee of Public Accounts [The Millennium Domes]; to be printed [No. 989-i] [Mr David Davis].

    8    Public Administration,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Public Administration Committee [Making Government Work]; to be printed [No. 238-viii] [Tony Wright].

    9    Science and Technology,-(1) Second Special Report from the Science and Technology Committee [Joint Working with the Lords Science and Technology Committee]; to be printed [No. 980]; and

    (2) Third Special Report from the Committee [Government Response to the Seventh Report from the Committee, on The Government's Expenditure on Research and Development: The Forward Look-The Government's Reply]; to be printed [No. 981]

    [Dr Michael Clark].

    10    Scottish Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Scottish Affairs Committee [The Drinks Industry in Scotland]; to be printed [No. 973-ii] [Mr David Marshall].

    11    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [2000 Pre-Budget Report]; to be printed [No. 988-i] [Mr Giles Radice].


Supplement to the Votes and Proceedings

Wednesday 15th November 2000

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

[pursuant to the Order of 24th May 1999]


The sitting commenced at half-past Nine o'clock.

PRAYERS.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Mrs Anne McGuire.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 1.48 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst
Deputy Speaker



 
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