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House of Commons Votes and Proceedings
Tuesday 7th November 2000

The House met at half-past Two o'clock.

PRAYERS.

1    City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords],-The Order of the day being read, for the Third Reading of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne Bill [Lords];

    Ordered, That the Bill be read the third time on Tuesday 14th November.

2    Alliance & Leicester Group Treasury plc (Transfer) Bill [Lords],-The Order of the day being read, for the Second Reading of the Alliance & Leicester Group Treasury plc (Transfer) Bill [Lords];

    Ordered, That the Bill be read a second time on Tuesday 14th November.

3    Insolvency Bill [Lords],-Mr Roger Gale reported from Standing Committee B, That it had gone through the Insolvency Bill [Lords], and made Amendments thereunto.

    Bill, as amended in the Standing Committee, to be considered to-morrow; and to be printed [Bill 179].

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to be printed [No. 972].

4    Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation,-Mr Bill Olner reported from the Fourth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation the Farm Waste Grant (Nitrate Vulnerable Zones) (England) (No. 2) Scheme 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 2911).

    Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee to lie upon the Table.

5    Business of the House,-A Motion was made, and the Question being proposed, That at today's sitting the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motions in the name of Margaret Beckett relating to Programming of Bills and Deferred Divisions not later than Ten o'clock, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved; and those Questions may be decided, though opposed, after the expiration of the time for opposed business-(Margaret Beckett);

    Mr Keith Bradley rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.

    And the Question being put, That the Question be now put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 251.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Eric Forth, Sir Archie Hamilton: 164.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    And the Question being accordingly put;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr Clive Betts, Mr Gerry Sutcliffe: 251.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Eric Forth, Sir Archie Hamilton: 168.

    So the Question was agreed to.

    Ordered, That at today's sitting the Speaker shall put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motions in the name of Margaret Beckett relating to Programming of Bills and Deferred Divisions not later than Ten o'clock, and such Questions shall include the Questions on any amendments selected by the Speaker which may then be moved; and those Questions may be decided, though opposed, after the expiration of the time for opposed business.

6    Programming of Bills,-A Motion was made, and the Question was proposed, That in the next Session of Parliament Orders A to I below shall have effect:

A. Programme Motions

    (1) If, before second reading of a bill, notice of a motion providing for-

      (a) committal of the bill, and

      (b) an allocation of time to proceedings in committee on the bill,

    is given by a Minister of the Crown, the motion may be made immediately after second reading and Standing Order No. 63 (committal of bills) shall not apply to the bill.

    (2) Such a motion is to be called a programme motion.

    (3) An order made by the House as the result of a programme motion is to be called a programme order.

    (4) A motion to vary or supplement a programme order is also to be called a programme motion.

    (5) The question on a programme motion to vary or supplement a programme order shall be put forthwith unless paragraph (7) applies.

    (6) Otherwise, any question necessary to dispose of proceedings on a programme motion shall be put not later than three-quarters of an hour after the commencement of the proceedings.

    (7) This paragraph applies to a programme motion to-

      (a) reduce the amount of time allocated under a programme order for any proceedings on the bill (whether or not it also increases the amount of time allocated for other proceedings on the bill);

      (b) bring forward the date on which the bill is to be reported to the House in accordance with a programme order; or

      (c) add to the proceedings to which a programme order applies.

    (8) Standing Order No.15(1) (exempted business) applies to proceedings on a programme motion.

    (9) Standing Order No. 83 (allocation of time) does not apply to a programme motion.

    (10) If a programme order applies to a bill, neither Standing Order No. 82 (Business Committee) nor Standing Order No. 120 (Business Sub-Committee) applies to the bill.

B. Programming Committees

    (1) This order applies if a bill is subject to a programme order which makes provision for proceedings in committee of the whole House or on consideration and third reading.

    (2) There is to be a committee for the bill consisting of-

      (a) the Chairman of Ways and Means (who is to be chairman of the committee); and

      (b) not more than eight other Members, nominated by the Speaker.

    (3) The committee is to be called the Programming Committee.

    (4) The quorum of the Programming Committee is four.

    (5) The Programming Committee shall-

      (a) consider the allocation of periods of time to such of the proceedings in committee of the whole House (or on consideration and third reading) as it thinks appropriate to designate; and

      (b) report any resolution which it makes to the House.

    (6) On a motion being made in the House in the terms of a resolution of the Programming Committee, any question necessary to dispose of proceedings on the motion shall be put not later than half an hour after the commencement of those proceedings.

    (7) If such a motion is agreed to, its provisions shall have effect as if they were included in the programme order for the bill.

    (8) Proceedings on a motion made under paragraph (6) may be entered upon and decided, though opposed, at any hour.

    (9) Resolutions of the Programming Committee-

      (a) may be reported from time to time; and

      (b) subject to the powers of the Speaker or Chairman to select the amendments, new clauses and new schedules to be proposed, may include alterations in the order in which designated proceedings on the bill are to be taken.

C. Programming Sub-Committees

    (1) If a bill is subject to a programme order which commits it to a standing committee, the order stands referred to the committee and shall be considered by a sub-committee of the committee.

    (2) The sub-committee is to be called the Programming Sub-Committee.

    (3) The Programming Sub-Committee shall consist of-

      (a) the chairman or one of the chairmen of the committee (who is to be chairman of the sub-committee); and

      (b) seven members of the committee, nominated by the Speaker.

    (4) The quorum of the Programming Sub-Committee is four.

    (5) The Programming Sub-Committee shall report to the committee any resolution which it makes about-

      (a) the number of sittings to be allotted to the consideration of the bill in the committee;

      (b) the allocation of the proceedings to each sitting;

      (c) the time at which any proceedings, if not previously concluded, are to be brought to a conclusion.

    (6) On a motion being made in the committee in the terms of a resolution of the Programming Sub-Committee, any question necessary to dispose of proceedings on the motion shall be put not later than half an hour after the commencement of those proceedings.

    (7) If such a motion is agreed to, its provisions shall have effect as if they were included in the programme order for the bill.

    (8) Resolutions of the Programming Sub-Committee-

      (a) may be reported from time to time; and

      (b) subject to the powers of the chairman to select the amendments, new clauses and new schedules to be proposed, may include alterations in the order in which specified proceedings are to be taken.

D. Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings in Standing Committee

or in Committee of the whole House

    (1) This order applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings in standing committee or in committee of the whole House to a conclusion in accordance with a programme order.

    (2) The chairman shall put forthwith the following questions (but no others)-

      (a) any question already proposed from the chair;

      (b) any question necessary to bring to a decision a question so proposed;

      (c) the question on any amendment, new clause or new schedule selected by the chairman for separate division;

      (d) the question on any amendment moved or motion made by a Minister of the Crown;

      (e) any other question necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded.

    (3) On a motion made for a new clause or a new schedule, the chairman shall put only the question that the clause or schedule be added to the bill.

    (4) If two or more questions would fall to be put under paragraph (2)(d) on successive amendments moved or motions made by a Minister of the Crown, the chairman shall instead put a single question in relation to those amendments or motions.

    (5) If two or more questions would fall to be put under paragraph (2)(e) in relation to successive provisions of the bill, the chairman shall instead put a single question in relation to those provisions.

    (6) On conclusion of the proceedings in a committee, the chairman shall report the bill (or such of the bill's provisions as were committed to it) to the House without putting any question.

E. Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings on consideration or third reading

    (1) This order applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings on consideration and third reading to a conclusion in accordance with a programme order.

    (2) The Speaker shall put forthwith the following questions (but no others)-

      (a) any question already proposed from the chair;

      (b) any question necessary to bring to a decision a question so proposed;

      (c) the question on any amendment, new clause or new schedule selected by the Speaker for separate division;

      (d) the question on any amendment moved or motion made by a Minister of the Crown;

      (e) any other question necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded.

    (3) On a motion made for a new clause or a new schedule, the Speaker shall put only the question that the clause or schedule be added to the bill.

    (4) If two or more questions would fall to be put under paragraph (2)(d) on successive amendments moved or motions made by a Minister of the Crown, the Speaker shall instead put a single question in relation to those amendments or motions.

F. Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments

    (1) This order applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings on consideration of Lords Amendments to a conclusion in accordance with a programme order.

    (2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any question which has been proposed from the chair and not yet decided.

    (3) If that question is for the amendment of a Lords Amendment, the Speaker shall then put forthwith-

      (a) a single question on any further amendments of the Lords Amendment moved by a Minister of the Crown; and

      (b) the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown that this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment or (as the case may be) in their Amendment as amended.

    (4) The Speaker shall then put forthwith-

      (a) a single question on any amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown to a Lords Amendment; and

      (b) the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown that this House agrees or disagrees with the Lords in their Amendment or (as the case may be) in their Amendment as amended.

    (5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown that this House disagrees with the Lords in a Lords Amendment.

    (6) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question that this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords Amendments.

    (7) As soon as the House has-

      (a) agreed or disagreed with the Lords in any of their Amendments, or

      (b) disposed of an amendment relevant to a Lords Amendment which has been disagreed to,

    the Speaker shall put forthwith a single question on any amendments moved by a Minister of the Crown relevant to the Lords Amendment.

G. Programme orders: conclusion of proceedings on further messages from the Lords

    (1) This order applies for the purpose of bringing proceedings on any further message from the Lords to a conclusion in accordance with a programme order.

    (2) The Speaker shall first put forthwith any question which has been proposed from the chair and not yet decided.

    (3) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown which is related to the question already proposed from the chair.

    (4) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister on or relevant to any of the remaining items in the Lords message.

    (5) The Speaker shall then put forthwith the question that this House agrees with the Lords in all the remaining Lords proposals.

H. Programme orders: Reasons Committee

    (1) This order applies in relation to any Committee to be appointed to draw up Reasons after proceedings have been brought to a conclusion in accordance with a programme order.

    (2) The Speaker shall put forthwith the question on any motion made by a Minister of the Crown for the appointment, nomination and quorum of a Committee to draw up Reasons and the appointment of its chairman.

    (3) The Committee shall report before the conclusion of the sitting at which it is appointed.

    (4) Proceedings in the Committee shall be brought to a conclusion not later than half an hour after their commencement.

    (5) For the purpose of bringing any proceedings to a conclusion in accordance with paragraph (4), the chairman shall-

      (a) first put forthwith any question which has been proposed from the chair and not yet decided; and

      (b) then put forthwith successively questions on motions which may be made by a Minister of the Crown for assigning a Reason for disagreeing with the Lords in any of their Amendments.

    (6) The proceedings of the Committee shall be reported without any further question being put.

I. Programme orders: supplementary provisions

    (1) The provisions of this order apply to proceedings in the House or in Committee of the whole House on a bill which is subject to a programme order.

    (2) Standing Order No. 15(1) (Exempted business) applies to the proceedings for any period after Ten o'clock (or on Thursday, seven o'clock) allocated to them in accordance with the programme order.

    (3) The proceedings may not be interrupted under any Standing Order relating to the sittings of the House.

    (4) If, on a day on which the bill has been set down to be taken as an order of the day, a motion for the adjournment of the House under Standing Order No. 24 (Adjournment on specific and important matter that should have urgent consideration) would, apart from this order, stand over to Seven o'clock-

      (a) that motion stands over until the conclusion of any proceedings on the bill which, in accordance with the programme order, are to be brought to conclusion at or before that time; and

      (b) the bringing to a conclusion of any proceedings on the bill which, in accordance with the programme order, are to be brought to a conclusion after that time is postponed for a period of time equal to the duration of the proceedings on that motion.

    (5) If a day on which the bill has been set down to be taken as an order of the day is one to which a motion for the adjournment of the House under Standing Order No. 24 stands over from an earlier day, the bringing to a conclusion of any proceedings on the bill which, in accordance with the programme order, are to be brought to a conclusion on that day is postponed for a period equal to the duration of the proceedings on that motion.

    (6) No dilatory motion may be made in relation to the proceedings except by a Minister of the Crown; and the question on any such motion is to be put forthwith.

    (7) If at any sitting the House is adjourned, or the sitting is suspended, before the expiry of the period at the end of which proceedings are to be brought to a conclusion under a programme order, no notice is required of a motion made at the next sitting by a Minister of the Crown for varying or supplementing the provisions of the programme order-(Margaret Beckett);

    And it being Ten o'clock, the Speaker put the Questions necessary to dispose of proceedings on the Motions on Programming of Bills and Deferred Divisions, pursuant to Order [this day].

    An Amendment ((g)) was proposed to the Question, in line 30, at the end to insert the words-

    '(11) On a day on which a programme motion is to be moved, the Speaker shall put the Question on a second reading of the bill to which that Motion applies not later than 9.30 p.m. on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays and 6.30 p.m. on Thursdays.'.-(Mrs Anne Campbell.)

    And the Question being put, That the Amendment be made;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mrs Lorna Fitzsimons, Mr Frank Doran: 174.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Keith Simpson, Mr James Gray: 253.

    So the Question was negatived.

    And the Main Question being put forthwith;

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Mike Hall: 296.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Keith Simpson, Mr James Gray: 137.

    So the Question was agreed to.

7    Deferred Divisions,-A Motion was made, and the Question being put forthwith, pursuant to Order [this day], That in the next Session of Parliament the following Order shall have effect:

    (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), Standing Order No. 38 (Procedure on divisions) shall not apply if, after the time for the interruption of business, the opinion of the Speaker as to the decision on a question is challenged in respect of any question.

    (2) Standing Order No. 38 (Procedure on divisions) shall apply (and this order shall not apply) to questions-

      (a) on motions or amendments in the course of proceedings on bills or allocating time to or programming such proceedings;

      (b) on motions which may be made without notice;

      (c) on motions to be disposed of immediately following the disposal of amendments proposed thereto, and on such amendments;

      (d) on motions made under-

      (i) paragraph (2) of Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business);

      (ii) paragraph (3) of Standing Order No. 51 (Ways and means motions);

      (iii) sub-paragraph (1)(a) of Standing Order No. 52 (Money resolutions and ways and means resolutions in connection with bills);

      (iv) paragraph (5) of Standing Order No. 54 (Consideration of estimates); and

      (v) paragraph (1) of Standing Order No. 55 (Questions on voting of estimates, &c.); and

      (e) on motions made under paragraph 3 below or to which an order made under that paragraph applies.

    (3) After the moment of interruption and the conclusion of proceedings under any other Standing Order which fall to be taken immediately after it, a Minister of the Crown may make a motion to the effect that this order shall not apply to questions on any specified motions; such motion may be proceeded with, though opposed, and the question thereon shall be put forthwith.

    (4) If the opinion of the Speaker is challenged under paragraph (1) of this order, he shall defer the division until half-past Three o'clock on the next Wednesday on which the House shall sit.

    (5) On any Wednesday to which a division has been deferred under paragraph (4) above-

      (a) Members may record their votes on the question under arrangements made by the Speaker;

      (b) votes may be recorded for one and a half hours after half-past Three o'clock, no account being taken of any period during which the House or committee proceeds to a division; and

      (c) the Speaker, or the Chairman, shall announce the result of the deferred division as soon as may be after the expiry of the period mentioned in sub-paragraph (b) above-(Margaret Beckett);

    The House divided.

      Tellers for the Ayes, Mr David Jamieson, Mr Mike Hall: 271.

      Tellers for the Noes, Mr Peter Atkinson, Mr John Randall: 152.

    So the Question was agreed to.

8    Public Accounts,-Ordered, That Mr Charles Wardle and Mr David Curry be discharged from the Committee of Public Accounts and Mr Simon Burns and Mr David Faber be added to the Committee.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)

9    Public Petitions,-A Public Petition from residents of Carshalton and Wallington for an increase in the basic state pension was presented and read; and ordered to lie upon the Table and to be printed.

10    Adjournment,-Resolved, That this House do now adjourn.-(Mr Gerry Sutcliffe.)

    And accordingly the House, having continued to sit till seven minutes past Eleven o'clock, adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 11.07 p.m.

Michael J. Martin
Speaker


Mr Speaker will take the Chair at half-past Two o'clock.


APPENDIX I

Papers presented or laid upon the Table:

Papers subject to Negative Resolution:

    1    Agriculture,-Rural Development Grants (Agriculture and Forestry) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 2907), dated 25th October 2000 [by Act] [Mr Nicholas Brown].

    2    Social Security,-Tax Credits Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendments No.4) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 2978), dated 7th November 2000 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

    3    Social Security (Northern Ireland),-Tax Credits Schemes (Miscellaneous Amendments No.4) (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2000 (S.I., 2000, No. 2979), dated 7th November 2000 [by Act] [Dawn Primarolo].

Other Papers:

    4    Foreign Affairs,-Government Response to the Fifth Report from the Foreign Affairs Committee, Session 1999-2000, on Annual Reports of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and British Trade International 2000 [by Command] [Cm. 4894] [Mr Secretary Cook].

    5    Mental Health (Scotland),-Report and Financial Statement of the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland for 1999-2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

    6    National Heritage,-Report and Accounts of English Heritage for 1999-2000 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Smith].

    7    National Heritage (Scotland),-Review and Accounts of National Galleries of Scotland for 1997-1999 [by Act] [Mr Secretary Reid].

APPENDIX II

Standing Committees

    1    Draft Jobseeker's Allowance (Joint Claims: Consequential Amendments) Regulations 2000, and the draft Social Security (New Deal Pilot) Regulations 2000,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mr John Hayes and Ms Fiona Jones from the Fifth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Regulations); and nominated in substitution Mr Graham Brady and Mr Tom Pendry.

    2    Draft Companies Act 1985 (Electronic Communications) Order 2000,-The Committee of Selection has discharged Mrs Louise Ellman and Mr Kerry Pollard from the Sixth Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation (nominated in respect of the Order); and nominated in substitution Mrs Janet Dean and Mr Gwyn Prosser.

    3    Draft Consular Fees Act 1980 (Fees) Order 2000,-The Speaker has appointed Mr John Cummings Chairman of the Third Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation in respect of the draft Order, in place of Mr Eric Illsley.

APPENDIX III

Reports from Select Committees

    1    Education and Employment,-Eighth Special Report from the Education and Employment Committee [Government Response to the Eighth Report from the Committee, Session 1999-2000, on New Deal for Young People: Two Years On]; to be printed [No. 969] [Mr Derek Foster].

    2    Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Environment Sub-Committee of the Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee [Delivering Sustainable Waste Management]; to be printed [No. 903-iii] [Mr Andrew F. Bennett].

    3    Home Affairs,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Home Affairs Committee [Physical Controls at UK Ports of Entry]; to be printed [No. 570-iv] [Mr Robin Corbett].

    4    International Development,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the International Development Committee [Annual Meetings of the IMF and the World Bank]; to be printed [No. 966-i] [Mr Bowen Wells].

    5    Statutory Instruments,-Thirtieth Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments, together with Memoranda laid before the Committee; to be printed [No. 47-xxx] [Mr David Tredinnick].

    6    Trade and Industry,-(1) Thirteenth Report from the Trade and Industry Committee [The Post Office and the Future of the Network], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 724]; and

    (2) Fourteenth Report from the Committee [What Would the Euro Cost UK Business?], together with Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee; to be printed, with the Minutes of Proceedings of the Committee relating to the Report [No. 755]

    [Mr Martin O'Neill].

    7    Treasury,-Minutes of Evidence taken before the Treasury Committee [Financial Services Authority]; to be printed [No. 336-ii] [Mr Giles Radice].


Supplement to the Votes and Proceedings

Tuesday 7th November 2000

Minutes of Proceedings of the Sitting in Westminster Hall

[pursuant to the Order of 24th May 1999]


The sitting commenced at Ten o'clock.

PRAYERS.

    Adjournment,-Resolved, That the sitting be now adjourned.-(Mr Don Touhig.)

    And accordingly the sitting was adjourned till to-morrow.

[Adjourned at 12.59 p.m.

Sir Alan Haselhurst
Deputy Speaker



 
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